Saints January transfer window thread

Except that you want him to stay, that you value him as a player, that he might be in your long term plans, that it is players like he, that is going to be placed alongside him, that are going to make this club the most successful that it has ever been, that it is his chance to make real history with this club, and not just be another number in a glamour club, that.... oh blimey, need I go on..?

Doesn't demonstrate anything..? Have you no imagination at all..? Did I miss the irony or something..?

 

Yes. You missed the entire point.

If I had Eden Hazard playing for me at $.01 a week, you can bet that I would turn down a $50 million offer for him. Does that really tell Hazard I'm "loyal," or that I value him as a Southampton player? No, it just says I realize I've got a great deal here, and I'm going to capitalize on it even if it doesn't exactly help Eden Hazard.

If I were to say "Hey, Eden. I realize I am paying you $.01 and you are worth at least 10,000,000 times that amount so I'm going to give you a raise. In fact, because you've already given up so much for the club I will better any offer on the table." THAT is showing loyalty.

To me, loyalty would be telling players like Forte, Sharp, Lee, Hooiveld, De Ridder, etc. who have always given their best that they can stay on the current contracts as long as they wish or that we will happily move them wherever they want to go (if they wish to go) and make up whatever difference in wages might occur. That is showing a player that you value their contributions to you. But pretty much most people are quite happy to shove those guys out the door ASAP.

This loyalty issue only comes up when we are talking about desirable players. And no one asks Shaw what he wants. Or .Cortese for that matter. Shaw probably wants to stay and is quite happy here, but I'm sure he'd like to opportunity to decide for himself, instead of the club deciding for him.

You don't want Shaw to go because if he does it doesn't fit YOUR image of what the club should be about. In other words, you are not asking the club to be loyal to Shaw. You are asking the club and Shaw to be loyal to you. Don't get it twisted.

 

Ignoring the Luke Shaw issue but talking generally. Players sign contracts and that work both ways. They are presumably happy with the terms when they sign...it gives them set wages (plus add ons) for a set number of years. They may miss out on a better offer later, but they also get paid for those years if unable to play through sickness or injury. I bet we'd like a contract like that...no 12 weeks sick pay for them. During that time, the chairman can turn down offers for the player (unless something is written in the contract) but the player does not have to make the move. Seems fair to me.

 

I respect your opinion. It's complete bollocks, but I respect it.

 

Loyalty is a funny one. Take Matty. Was he "loyal", or did he just happen to find himself in a situation that suited him and his lifestyle. And did the club keep him out of loyalty or because he was the best player in the country!?

 

They kept him because of his skill, nothing to do with loyalty. Football is ultimately (from a club perspective) a business. There's very little room for sentimentality.

 

true. if a player wants to be notified about bids or be able to discuss terms, those can be enabled with clauses in the contract and it's all above board.

 

So loyal that he was going to move to Spurs but then his girlfriend didn't want to move to London...

 

And we were so loyal we were going to sell him to Norwich plus 2m for Mark Robins.....

 

People must be bored with the amount of random crap being said on this thread.

 

Couldn't have put that any better myself. Come on day to day to check whether any real credible stuff has been suggested and I have to look through tedious Rubbish.

 

I haven't read the last few pages, and I don't think it's possible for me to get so bored that I would resort to that. I'm just going to assume that actually there are no solid rumours of any sort.

 

Think we could see a loan in but nothing else.

 

Bit of a change since "One signing at least will be joining Saints." what happened?

 

Still one signing isn't it?
It's just gone quiet on the individual player front, we seem to be scouting teams rather then just person.

 

I am even bored of people who say that I must be bored,

 

Didn't know where else to put this, but look who's back training and definitely not been told to stay away:

http://instagram.com/p/jHGUd9Oy9Q/

 

Looks like he's going to do himself a mischief.

 

Can't let a million pound player waste away.

 

Not much chance of that in this case