S.A.F.C. - the future

[Billy Batts]

Might as well pay the manager a bit more seeing as though we can't spend it on players wages.

 

[Sandy Camel]

What assumptions? You based your whole argument on those two snapshots. As for Mourinho, I take it you paid no attention to his time at Madrid and the notorious trivote of three defensive midfielders.
Yes, a big name might be able to attract players and we're in League 1 with a salary cap. So we need a manager who can actually get something more out of the players we have. There's your bigger picture. The other thing that attracts players is a competent manager who they feel they can work with.
I can live with the fact that you don't think the Cowleys are good choice. So you should be able to cope with the fact that I do.

I provided two snapshots as an example, I certainly haven't based my position on two posts I've linked. That again is an assumption. Why not go and read what the rest of the posts had to say and get a more balanced view of them, which is what I have done. Yes, there is goodwill there for keeping them up but less than half of them wanted them to stay, and that's a fact, not my opinion.

I'm not arsed if anyone thinks the Cowleys would be good and I can certainly cope with anyone who thinks they would be, especially when they have got a massive 7 games of watching them to base their opinion on, which seems a rather small snap shot of time to me tbh. Personally, I'll take the opinion of folk who watched them at the highest level they have ever managed and did so for the best part of a whole season. If those comments said they did indeed play the brand of attacking football that you claim they implement, I'd be okay with having them. But the Huddersfield fans don't say that, so I won't.

 

[The Redbaron]

If Dreyfus and Satori are making the choice and it looks like they are with Poyet and Schwartz being mentioned
then they may have a foreign name or someone left field that is completely off our radars
However if they can't pull a rabbit out of the hat
Then looking at the current names on the betting list I would probably agree and give Cowley a shot.
They know the lower leagues and could work with what we have and stand a more than fair chance of getting us promoted
Doesn't stop the new owners having a long term plan. If it works out with the Cowleys fine
If not hopefully they get us promoted and we move on.
As long as we get a forward thinking progressive DOF behind the scenes to restructure the club

I would agree with your first paragraph mate, it was very ambitious and I believe that a statement of intent by these new owners (if the are pulling the strings) with Poyet may well have been the correct approach. I suspect we will hear just what has transpired over the next few days.
As to why it fell through yesterday, that was supposed to be a rubber stamp job for Gus, I cant understand why now those name we are now being linked with for the managers role would seem be quite the opposite to what and be less ambitious.

What was a bold attempt to recruit someone with a good footballing back ground, who would have lifted the whole club, are now being linked to Johnson, Cowley, Cook etc but these are not the people I would associate with ambition, steady plodders yes, but not the type to get the blood flowing.. I can see us being in the same position in 12 months time as we are now.

That would suggest to me that certain parties still at the club and are still trying to do the job on the cheap. I don't know where that leaves the Takeover.

 

[The Redbaron]

Its an interesting discussion.
Did they chose Poyet and look to build a structure around him or have they got a definite idea of how they want the club run and Poyet didn't agree.
Suspect we will never fully know. But the appointment will tell us a lot.

Anyway we are racing ahead this time last week would be happy if the takeover was announced and we haven't officially had that yet

Ambition....it will show us if we are ambitious or also rans.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I provided two snapshots as an example, I certainly haven't based my position on two posts I've linked. That again is an assumption. Why not go and read what the rest of the posts had to say and get a more balanced view of them, which is what I have done. Yes, there is goodwill there for keeping them up but less than half of them wanted them to stay, and that's a fact, not my opinion.

I'm not arsed if anyone thinks the Cowleys would be good and I can certainly cope with anyone who thinks they would be, especially when they have got a massive 7 games of watching them to base their opinion on, which seems a rather small snap shot of time to me tbh. Personally, I'll take the opinion of folk who watched them at the highest level they have ever managed and did so for the best part of a whole season. If those comments said they did indeed play the brand of attacking football that you claim they implement, I'd be okay with having them. But the Huddersfield fans don't say that, so I won't.

What makes you think my opinion is based on just watching those games? That's a pretty big assumption to make for someone who is so assumption-adverse. How many of their games have you seen? You clearly haven't seen many of Mourinho's. And I never said they played attacking football, I said they like ball playing centre backs and to build attacks down the wings and that they are pragmatic.

 

[RedandWhiteTractor]

I'm not sure it means we are doing it on the cheap. Especially not knowing what was offered.

Just because we may have money doesn't mean we should roll over and pay him what he wants. Poyet would have been a great statement but if he wanted Premier league money, maybe they thought his CV didn't warrant it.

 

[Sandy Camel]

Well it looks like what you were expecting the Cowley’s to do with 2nd bottom Huddersfield any idea where they finished and who they beat last game?

What the **** has that got to do with what you claimed. I said **** all about wanting us to play like Barca so why make it up?

 

[sheepman]

I would agree with your first paragraph mate, it was very ambitious and I believe that a statement of intent by these new owners (if the are pulling the strings) with Poyet may well have been the correct approach. I suspect we will hear just what has transpired over the next few days.
As to why it fell through yesterday, that was supposed to be a rubber stamp job for Gus, I cant understand why now those name we are now being linked with for the managers role would seem be quite the opposite to what and be less ambitious.

What was a bold attempt to recruit someone with a good footballing back ground, who would have lifted the whole club, are now being linked to Johnson, Cowley, Cook etc but these are not the people I would associate with ambition, steady plodders yes, but not the type to get the blood flowing.. I can see us being in the same position in 12 months time as we are now.

That would suggest to me that certain parties still at the club and are still trying to do the job on the cheap. I don't know where that leaves the Takeover.

Must admit it would be very strange to go from Poyet to someone like Cook
I think we will just have to wait and see There is lots of speculation but most seem to be the usual suspects
Hopefully we have a plan

 

[TeamOfTalents]

Desperate for some good news like

 

[rooch 3]

What the **** has that got to do with what you claimed. I said **** all about wanting us to play like Barca so why make it up?

Sorry my apologies I will ignore you from now on.

 

[Davyred]

It seems Poyet is just a lower league Benitez.

Hi refusal wasn't down to his willingness to work with a DOF, the choice of his staff or the depth of 'vision' ...

... no, just like Rafa, it was all about the money.

He'd come if it was enough even if he had Bally as DOF and Taylor as coach.

In what context, his wages?

If so, seems strange that his son posted that tweet last night. Also, if what was said on here and over the road is to be believed and he on Wearside to sign, surely personal terms would have been agreed before he travelled up here.

I think its got more to do with the structure he was going to working in. Maybe he was promised 'X' would be the SpD or DoF but that didn't happen.

All conjecture anyway until it comes from either Poyet or SAFC.

 

[Sandy Camel]

What makes you think my opinion is based on just watching those games? That's a pretty big assumption to make for someone who is so assumption-adverse. How many of their games have you seen? You clearly haven't seen many of Mourinho's. And I never said they played attacking football, I said they like ball playing centre backs and to build attacks down the wings and that they are pragmatic.

So what is your opinion based on then, if not the games you watched? The only other place you could get any info on them s by what others are saying, which is the same thing I'm doing as I haven't watched them.

And again an assumption about watching Mourinho. You have no idea how many times I've watched Chelsea, Inter, Madrid, Man U or Spurs so why even claim it?

 

[Sandy Camel]

Sorry my apologies I will ignore you from now on.

Cheers, much appreciated.

 

[Sonnyboy]

I would agree with your first paragraph mate, it was very ambitious and I believe that a statement of intent by these new owners (if the are pulling the strings) with Poyet may well have been the correct approach. I suspect we will hear just what has transpired over the next few days.
As to why it fell through yesterday, that was supposed to be a rubber stamp job for Gus, I cant understand why now those name we are now being linked with for the managers role would seem be quite the opposite to what and be less ambitious.

What was a bold attempt to recruit someone with a good footballing back ground, who would have lifted the whole club, are now being linked to Johnson, Cowley, Cook etc but these are not the people I would associate with ambition, steady plodders yes, but not the type to get the blood flowing.. I can see us being in the same position in 12 months time as we are now.

That would suggest to me that certain parties still at the club and are still trying to do the job on the cheap. I don't know where that leaves the Takeover.

Totally agree - I'm not sure now that the "takeover" is going to be everything we were expecting. Let's hope so!

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

I personally think they still might be trying to sort something out with Poyet. No itk or anything btw, just a hunch.

Like Quasimodo I also have a hunch.
My hunch is that there was a lot of talk on here and other social media outlets that he had signed etc etc. The club realised what was happening. They want to control the narrative (there’s that word again) on when and how the announcement will be made so have put out a few stories inside and outside the club.
Therefore my theory is that Poyet has actually signed up but the club want to make the announcement in the manner they see fit.
Any ITKs want to comment?

 

[Billy Batts]

Like Quasimodo I also have a hunch.
My hunch is that there was a lot of talk on here and other social media outlets that he had signed etc etc. The club realised what was happening. They want to control the narrative (there’s that word again) on when and how the announcement will be made so have put out a few stories inside and outside the club.
Therefore my theory is that Poyet has actually signed up but the club want to make the announcement in the manner they see fit.
Any ITKs want to comment?

This.

 

[The Norton Cat]

So what is your opinion based on then, if not the games you watched? The only other place you could get any info on them s by what others are saying, which is the same thing I'm doing as I haven't watched them.

And again an assumption about watching Mourinho. You have no idea how many times I've watched Chelsea, Inter, Madrid, Man U or Spurs so why even claim it?

From talking to people who know what they are talking about. And even if it was just based on those 7 games, that makes me more qualified to assess them than you- by your own admission.

Why don't you like assumptions? You're very touchy about them. The reason I say that is that Mourinho, throughout his career, has been accussed of playing anti-football. You do know that his mantra is "he who has the ball has fear" and frequently advocated completely bypassing his own midfield.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Sorry my apologies I will ignore you from now on.

I wish he'd ignore me

 

[Disco down under]

Like Quasimodo I also have a hunch.
My hunch is that there was a lot of talk on here and other social media outlets that he had signed etc etc. The club realised what was happening. They want to control the narrative (there’s that word again) on when and how the announcement will be made so have put out a few stories inside and outside the club.
Therefore my theory is that Poyet has actually signed up but the club want to make the announcement in the manner they see fit.
Any ITKs want to comment?

That's controlling the narrative very badly. I don't see it personally. It's now going out that he turned us down and there is a new found indifference to him along with a bit of bad blood.

Any official announcement to the contrary will be like the air escaping a balloon.

If it is as you say it is. It's highly incompetent. Not that that rules it out.

 

[Dorset]

Like Quasimodo I also have a hunch.
My hunch is that there was a lot of talk on here and other social media outlets that he had signed etc etc. The club realised what was happening. They want to control the narrative (there’s that word again) on when and how the announcement will be made so have put out a few stories inside and outside the club.
Therefore my theory is that Poyet has actually signed up but the club want to make the announcement in the manner they see fit.
Any ITKs want to comment?

It's possible, unlikely, but it's possible