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Tale of 2 forums eh?


If you’re positive on RTG you get slated.


If you’re negative here, you get slated.


There isn’t much in between!


Given a lot of people probably began posting here due to the constant negativity and trolling on RTG it’s probably not surprising this forum is on the positive end of the spectrum.


I think people have a right to be skeptical - the club has been so shambolic for the past 12-18 months we are all truly hoping for a clean slate. This takeover is clearly going to be a massive shake up but it’s not quite a clean slate. At this stage Methven & Donald will still be involved in some capacity, 2 people who have asset stripped the club to within an inch of its life, appointed their mates, appointed Parky, and have lied and abused the fan base continuously. Then there’s Rodwell, an operator who was instrumental in seeing half of the season ticket holders not renew after ballsing up the refund scheme on 3 different occasions. Rodwell was also vocal in advocating for a short term bailout from the premier league Big 6 and effectively selling off our right to ever compete in the Premier League.


These 3 cannot be trusted and until the new structure is sorted, people will ask questions. I don’t buy the “wait until it’s done then complain” argument, by then it could be too late. This isn’t just the fanzines pushing their skepticism, journalists and ex players have all shared their concerns. If you’re going to dismiss all of these that’s up to you but it’s clear why skepticism is about. Before Madrox took over anyone who expressed any skepticism was absolutely piled on, until we know the new structure and appointments there is no reason why people can’t ask questions.


I am certainly skeptical, but incredibly excited. I think all the managerial front runners all have their positive attributes and I could get behind any of them. The sporting director appointment is as exciting as it is crucial and that appointment will be more telling than the manager in my opinion.


It’s ok to be skeptical, being totally dismissive and calling it a sham (which I’ve seen) is clearly going overboard and that’s not constructive.

Good post Cobber.

Even the dopiest rose tinted happy clapper will be skeptical mate, its inevitable ...

... we've had local lad made good Murray, club legend Quinn, billionaire Short and 'breath of fresh air' Donald all of whom have got it wrong in various ways.

The same can be said of clubs like Wolves, Leicester, Southampton, etc who've been bankrupt, stranded and 'finished' with angry mobs at the gates, liquidators in the boardroom and the future looking bleak. Yet, often by accident, clubs have landed on their feet, Leicester won the title with Wes Morgan ffs <laugh> Ranieri wasn't even supposed to be there. He only came in because of a sordid scandal and the existing manager losing his mind.

People think there's a mystical 'model' out there and that clubs who succeed have a master plan hammered out by experts and led by a genius ... the reality is that clubs shuffle the pieces of the jigsaw around until they eventually drop into place. Man City had some laughable attempts before it all came right, even when they had the money they still couldn't get it right. Spurs have spent huge time, effort and money yet always fall short, they'd already bought the silver polish when they handed the title to Leicester. Spurs have been stable, highly funded and with a real plan as well as being London based and glamorous.

Lots of clubs have billionaires yet trundle around looking hopeless and clubs like Sheff Utd seem to have 'cracked the code' then crack up. Southampton went bust, had owners fighting with the supporters and dropped on a PE teacher to reverse the trend.

Without mega-money the likes of Sunderland are just hoping for the perfect storm and that's what I'm hoping for now. Yes we're naturally skeptical but there has to be a place for blind faith, dreams and hope ...

... that's all we really have if we're honest. Newcastle supporters have proved, beyond all reasonable doubt, that 'putting pressure on the club', protesting and boycotting might make people feel better but has virtually no effect. Digging around the accounts, Googling prospective owners and making grandiose statements is good fun for the fanzines, and keeps the lads off the streets, but it's basically futile.

We've all become 'experts' in accountancy, law and business planning since the advent of social media which is a bit of a laugh but not much more. All it really does is make the supporters feel proactive and allows them to believe they have a degree of control.

Personally I'll always revert to being another daft lad cheering the shirt, cheering our goals and believing we've got it right this time ...

... hope is all we really have and that's the reality, whatever the 'realists' choose to believe.
 
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Luke Edwards in the telegraph has a long piece on Sunderland today. Behind a paywall and I’ve not paid for this one so can’t post it
 
I don’t blame anyone for being sceptical, it’s when they go and preach doom and gloom and bring everyone down, they can’t just leave it there. They make **** up about it not being takeover, nothings changed cos the failures will still make the decisions etc. They are telling those that are happy about it not to get carried away because no one knows the breakdown of shares or how it will pan out, whilst telling us that it won’t change, despite not knowing the breakdown of shares or how it will pan out.
I’m an old curmudgeon sometimes, unbelievable I know but thanks, yet even I am letting myself believe that we are turning a corner on this one, well at least until I run smack bang into a parked car further up the road.
 
Today could be the new manager getting announced before the match . :1980_boogie_down:
One thing I love about football fans is the eternal optimism, even when that red and white life preserver we reach for turns out to be just another straw to grasp at! It's the hope...
 
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Good post Cobber.

Even the dopiest rose tinted happy clapper will be skeptical mate, its inevitable ...

... we've had local lad made good Murray, club legend Quinn, billionaire Short and 'breath of fresh air' Donald all of whom have got it wrong in various ways.

The same can be said of clubs like Wolves, Leicester, Southampton, etc who've been bankrupt, stranded and 'finished' with angry mobs at the gates, liquidators in the boardroom and the future looking bleak. Yet, often by accident, clubs have landed on their feet, Leicester won the title with Wes Morgan ffs <laugh> Ranieri wasn't even supposed to be there. He only came in because of a sordid scandal and the existing manager losing his mind.

People think there's a mystical 'model' out there and that clubs who succeed have a master plan hammered out by experts and led by a genius ... the reality is that clubs shuffle the pieces of the jigsaw around until they eventually drop into place. Man City had some laughable attempts before it all came right, even when they had the money they still couldn't get it right. Spurs have spent huge time, effort and money yet always fall short, they'd already bought the silver polish when they handed the title to Leicester. Spurs have been stable, highly funded and with a real plan as well as being London based and glamorous.

Lots of clubs have billionaires yet trundle around looking hopeless and clubs like Sheff Utd seem to have 'cracked the code' then crack up. Southampton went bust, had owners fighting with the supporters and dropped on a PE teacher to reverse the trend.

Without mega-money the likes of Sunderland are just hoping for the perfect storm and that's what I'm hoping for now. Yes we're naturally skeptical but there has to be a place for blind faith, dreams and hope ...

... that's all we really have if we're honest. Newcastle supporters have proved, beyond all reasonable doubt, that 'putting pressure on the club', protesting and boycotting might make people feel better but has virtually no effect. Digging around the accounts, Googling prospective owners and making grandiose statements is good fun for the fanzines, and keeps the lads off the streets, but it's basically futile.

We've all become 'experts' in accountancy, law and business planning since the advent of social media which is a bit of a laugh but not much more. All it really does is make the supporters feel proactive and allows them to believe they have a degree of control.

Personally I'll always revert to being another daft lad cheering the shirt, cheering our goals and believing we've got it right this time ...

... hope is all we really have and that's the reality, whatever the 'realists' choose to believe.
Great post Smug, well thought through and presented.:emoticon-0137-clapp
 
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Luke Edwards in the telegraph has a long piece on Sunderland today. Behind a paywall and I’ve not paid for this one so can’t post it
Going by this snippet it looks to be the usual doom and gloom tailored to his mag fanbase

The fact that Sunderland are looking to appoint their 18th manager since the turn of the century is a shuddering statistic, which not only shows how many mistakes have been made in filling the position, but also the wider malaise at a club that has lurched from failure to farcical for the best part of a decade.
 
We do it because it’s a laugh and a social thing too. Something to do, isn’t it? We’ve done some great stuff together and met lots of new people and made new friends. Been privileged enough to experience some things we wouldn’t have had we not done WMS. We’d do it if 100 people listened. I think ‘shock jocks’ is a bit harsh. I’d like to think we get the balance right, but we definitely won’t every time.
It's a great Pod, some of the posters annoy me on social but the content of the pods are really good
 
Going by this snippet it looks to be the usual doom and gloom tailored to his mag fanbase

The fact that Sunderland are looking to appoint their 18th manager since the turn of the century is a shuddering statistic, which not only shows how many mistakes have been made in filling the position, but also the wider malaise at a club that has lurched from failure to farcical for the best part of a decade.

Whilst he is pandering to his audience,I wouldn't disagree with much in that snippet mind.
 
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