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The artist Billy Can can said:
Why is B most likely? Surely we just can't tell either way <ok> As far as I'm aware we have nothing to tell us he's innocent or guilty...at all. It's possible he's being forced...it's possible he's trying to sneak in a free vote for Sky. No one has counter claimed but he is as yet one person putting Sky under threat....whilst his story may be true we can't just dismiss him as a "leave him until tomorrow"...

If Bisc is innocent and doesn't change his vote from Sky then Mafia could potentially get 4 votes for Sky tonight, take out another innocent and we're already in big trouble.

If Bisc is mafia and we agree not to take him out we are giving him a free vote for Sky <doh>

Whilst his vote is for Sky we surely HAVE to keep some pressure on him.

As for the "Village Idiot" idea....if he IS a village idiot then surely we want him gone ASAP otherwise he's going to be a nuisance all game <laugh>
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See voting for sky is a wasted vote in my opinion. Others aren't going to vote for him so it's a bit of a ease.

I think it just meant to casts doubt rather than get sky up for a lynch.
 
Right that's my lunch finished, back to work, will be back when I get a break or atleast before the end of the day.

Don't go lynching me while I'm away!
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
or you could be trying to influence us.

right now i'd like to just focus on what we know... and not gt down a rabbit hole of mights.

the votes cast thus far are not written in stone but they do give us 4 players at risk and thats real.

Now you should have seen how i picked my target out at random using the date today and the list i'd done on the sign up thread. thats the sum total of why lucaas is up there. Is this correct?

On day one some lads always skirt by and some always get picked out. there is a good reason why ibwt is up. thats fair... I think ibwt you knew getting the message you'd be up. gerrez is up there for no reason bar being gerrez. Others have not got picked out

so we got to ask ourselves. if we like a 4 way tie are the right guys up and also based on this whats the final vote going to look like. Do we want 2 votes to decide this or do we want 3 or even 4 votes each.. what would it tell us?

I did the maths last time. getting a tie up there increases mafia risk
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Surely while we have one vote already up for Sky we need to look at getting a 4 people on 3 votes (or 3 people on 4). 2 votes is nowhere near enough when we already know we're one vote down for the cop.
 
The artist Billy Can can said:
Surely while we have one vote already up for Sky we need to look at getting a 4 people on 3 votes (or 3 people on 4). 2 votes is nowhere near enough when we already know we're one vote down for the cop.
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I'd like to see 4 people on three votes. I'd also like it to be fluid... if there is no movement, try and add someone else to the danger zone.
 
afcftw said:
Why would the mafia try and kill sky? Surely as the only known innocent it's ridiculous to try and kill him? Basically anyone who adds there vote to IBWT is mafia. It's too obvious surely?

I'm going to ignore ibwts vote and put it down as being due to the Heavy, for now, but keep it noted down for later in the game incase he does anything else suspicious. That said I don't mind him being in the coin toss, the more in there with me the better :p

Edit: in my first para I mean if anyone votes WITH IBWT for sky! Thought that needed clarifying lol
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I was about to say "because sky is a threat to the Mafia". However, I thought I'd have another quick look at the role first:

COP - Can put a player in custody for the night. The prisoner is released just after 10am the next day. The same player cannot be arrested two nights in a row. While in custody a player cannot use their powers. The cop's identity is known at the start of the game: Skylarker* is a dedicated public servant who cannot be recruited by the mafia or initiated by the freemasons. He can resist assassination with a shootout.
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So, other than arresting someone, can the cop do anything else? Does the cop find out what role their prisoner has? If so and the prisoner is Mafia, are they out of the game; aka in prison for their crimes?
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
See voting for sky is a wasted vote in my opinion. Others aren't going to vote for him so it's a bit of a ease.

I think it just meant to casts doubt rather than get sky up for a lynch.
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Its also the only person the mafia could pick that would attract attention. If they asked you to vote for anyone else it wouldn't have been picked up at all.
 
Voting Table: (Order vertically is from first person voted to most recent person voted for, Order of votes by is first cast listed first, second listed second etc)
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Gerrez[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]AfcFtw, valley[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Lucaaas[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]Mito,mummy[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]BRB[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]gerrez[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]IBWT[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]nozzer, billy[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]RHC[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]bodanki[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]sky[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]IBWT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]afcftw[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]swarbs,brb[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

not voted listed alphabetically: Danilo, Lucaaas,RHC, Skylarker

Table of people with no votes: (listed alphabetically)
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Billy[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]bodanki[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Danilo[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]
mummy's milk[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]MITO[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Nozzer[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Swarbs[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Valleygraduate12[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]No lynch[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


this hours table....
 
Gerrez said:
Its also the only person the mafia could pick that would attract attention. If they asked you to vote for anyone else it wouldn't have been picked up at all.
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Also, if the leaned-on person survives, they'll have a good idea that the person they voted for is innocent. Since we already know that with Sky, that's one less piece of information on our side (even if only one person would know it).
 
Gerrez said:
So, other than arresting someone, can the cop do anything else? Does the cop find out what role their prisoner has? If so and the prisoner is Mafia, are they out of the game; aka in prison for their crimes?
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I don't think he has investigative powers. He's a known innocent, which, in itself is very useful information. (especially if Sky can be on and vocal).
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
See voting for sky is a wasted vote in my opinion. Others aren't going to vote for him so it's a bit of a ease.

I think it just meant to casts doubt rather than get sky up for a lynch.
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As the town all we can do for certain is ensure his safety first round <ok> You look slightly suspicious by voting for him but for anyone else it'd be crazy...as long as we keep it like that then its a small battle won :)
 
Mummy said:
I don't think he has investigative powers. He's a known innocent, which, in itself is very useful information. (especially if Sky can be on and vocal).
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I realise that, I just assumed after reading the OP (the first time) that he had powers similar to previous cops(investigation abilities) but if its just putting them in custody from nightfall to 10am its not that good a role bar being a known innocent. Similar to my previous Doctor role I guess.
 
Gerrez said:
Its also the only person the mafia could pick that would attract attention. If they asked you to vote for anyone else it wouldn't have been picked up at all.
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which IMO would have been more sensible. If you forced some innocent to vote for another innocent thats not sky then you would be able to have 5 votes to play with in the background and make sure you got as many innocents up for a vote as needed.

I dunno but it suggest the mafia are thinking twisty which is a biscan property...
 
Gerrez said:
I realise that, I just assumed after reading the OP (the first time) that he had powers similar to previous cops(investigation abilities) but if its just putting them in custody from nightfall to 10am its not that good a role bar being a known innocent. Similar to my previous Doctor role I guess.
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well i think its got lots of possibilities. he can lock up someone who might be killed or lock up a suspect of his who is not getting a vote. Can he save someone from a lynch?
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
which IMO would have been more sensible. If you forced some innocent to vote for another innocent thats not sky then you would be able to have 5 votes to play with in the background and make sure you got as many innocents up for a vote as needed.

I dunno but it suggest the mafia are thinking twisty which is a biscan property...
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In the first round the Mafia don't need tactics, its easy to avoid losing one of your own because there is so little to go on. By forcing Biscan to vote for sky its taken any potential focus off them completely. We're already almost five hours into the game and all we've discussed is Sky and Biscan <laugh> I'd say the Mafia's plan is working!
 
Nozzer said:
Also, if the leaned-on person survives, they'll have a good idea that the person they voted for is innocent. Since we already know that with Sky, that's one less piece of information on our side (even if only one person would know it).
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that is an interesting point as they could ask for their own team member to be voted for and then people would think they are innocent.

I think we must be missing something that will be revealed as aside form this being a weak move by mafia they must have had some reason for going this way. either weak or there's something else at work.
 
Gerrez said:
In the first round the Mafia don't need tactics, its easy to avoid losing one of your own because there is so little to go on. By forcing Biscan to vote for sky its taken any potential focus off them completely. We're already almost five hours into the game and all we've discussed is Sky and Biscan <laugh> I'd say the Mafia's plan is working!
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not if the 4 way vote has one of them in it. I said focus on the vote.

in the last 2 hours since brb made it a 4 way there have been no votes including you. your vote does nothing right now.

so do we have the right 4 guys up... very little to go on.... and how many votes each. I'd rather get 2/3 up to 3 than leave it like this. I'd ideally like later the non voters come on and help make it a good 3/4 way tie.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
that is an interesting point as they could ask for their own team member to be voted for and then people would think they are innocent.

I think we must be missing something that will be revealed as aside form this being a weak move by mafia they must have had some reason for going this way. either weak or there's something else at work.
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Maybe Magic is mafia? <whistle>
 
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