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oh please....u used that old phrase...I'm innocent...so original....and voting for someone u suspect as don...what u hiding?

I made it my catchphrase in Mafia 2. And it was true.

What am I hiding? My monitor from the window into my office.
 
<laugh>

Anyone got a paddle?

See milk sating if I'm still alive tomorrow I should be killed is silly.

Mainly because if I was Mafia, I'd remember that, not kill metro night and then let the town lynch me tomorrow so they can then use their kill on someone else and gr rid of 2 people :(

I agree. Metro night is my favourite night.
 
Within the very first part of the OP it says "there may be consequences to what you say and do" <ok>

If Biscan is innocent, I fully expect him to be killed come nightfall.

Voting for him would be silly in this regard because if he is lynched we won't know if we can speak out about being pressured by the heavy.

Of course, if he's Mafia then none of this matters.

Something like that though you need to be clear. No where in rules says I have to keep quiet?

Ah well, I know I'm innocent and have been stitched up night one :(

Just hope you lot can believe me and not be lured into the trap.

<smooch>
 
<laugh>

Anyone got a paddle?

See milk sating if I'm still alive tomorrow I should be killed is silly.

Mainly because if I was Mafia, I'd remember that, not kill metro night and then let the town lynch me tomorrow so they can then use their kill on someone else and gr rid of 2 people :(

I don't agree. He is saying what most are thinking, I've pretty much said the same thing. If you're innocent, you're going to be killed for speaking out IMO (hidden rule). Therefore, if your not voted into being lynched we find out whether that hidden rule exists. If you don't die then its two possibilities, the hidden rule doesn't exist or you're Mafia.

The frustrating part is, there is little point in Sky or the journo will do their work on you since there is a chance you'll die anyway.
 
You're a bit like Teflon Gerrez though! <ok>
Always on the chopping block but never actually being killed.

<laugh> let's keep it that way! I don't mind being in danger for a town strategy, but I'd rather not die just yet!
 
Indeed... so if he doesn't die tonight that doesn't tell us as much.
So.
A) He's bluffing (and no one is countering his claim with their own because the heavy didn't pressure ANYONE). Motive: He's Mafia and wants to make people think he is innocent.
B) He's not bluffing and innocent.
C) Some other "twist" unrevealed.

B is probably most likely. A is something IBWT is very capable of doing- and if we do keep him alive we should keep a close eye on him for the rest of the game. C- we can't really prepare for this. Just don't let ourselves get blinkered into thinking there isn't a third possibility. IBWT has to remain a suspect for the rest of the game now.




I'm not saying with 100% certainty. Certainly wouldn't be evidence in a court of law... but in Mafia you have to look for any little clue like that. Human nature... if you're on to PM you're going to want to post to. Would take good foresight and will power not to.

I'm fairly sure the heavy will be on that rather long short list. Not 100% sure... but it is some of the only evidence we have so far.

Why is B most likely? Surely we just can't tell either way <ok> As far as I'm aware we have nothing to tell us he's innocent or guilty...at all. It's possible he's being forced...it's possible he's trying to sneak in a free vote for Sky. No one has counter claimed but he is as yet one person putting Sky under threat....whilst his story may be true we can't just dismiss him as a "leave him until tomorrow"...

If Bisc is innocent and doesn't change his vote from Sky then Mafia could potentially get 4 votes for Sky tonight, take out another innocent and we're already in big trouble.

If Bisc is mafia and we agree not to take him out we are giving him a free vote for Sky <doh>

Whilst his vote is for Sky we surely HAVE to keep some pressure on him.

As for the "Village Idiot" idea....if he IS a village idiot then surely we want him gone ASAP otherwise he's going to be a nuisance all game <laugh>
 
Say the mafia are stitching up IBWT by making us think he 's the mafia. One of the ideas would then presumably be for us to start voting IBWT. So presumably a couple (not all) might start voting for IBWT in order to put some pressure on. Or, they may wait to see fit he doubts take hold, and if they realise it is isn't flying, safely deposit votes elsewhere. I'm guessing that at least two of the mafia haven't voted yet.
 
No-one likes me :(

Can't argue with that :bandit:


Something like that though you need to be clear. No where in rules says I have to keep quiet?

Ah well, I know I'm innocent and have been stitched up night one :(

Just hope you lot can believe me and not be lured into the trap.

<smooch>

Since you like to read rules, you should have taken note of the bit highlighted above <ok>

If you're innocent and telling the truth, you needs to have a serious think about how you've let your team down <laugh>
 
You're a bit like Teflon Gerrez though! <ok>
Always on the chopping block but never actually being killed.

Very different tactics in that situation though. AFC begs, steals and generally sucks peoples cocks to get out of the vote. I say "ah well, **** it" <laugh>
 
Why is B most likely? Surely we just can't tell either way <ok> As far as I'm aware we have nothing to tell us he's innocent or guilty...at all. It's possible he's being forced...it's possible he's trying to sneak in a free vote for Sky. No one has counter claimed but he is as yet one person putting Sky under threat....whilst his story may be true we can't just dismiss him as a "leave him until tomorrow"...

If Bisc is innocent and doesn't change his vote from Sky then Mafia could potentially get 4 votes for Sky tonight, take out another innocent and we're already in big trouble.

If Bisc is mafia and we agree not to take him out we are giving him a free vote for Sky <doh>

Whilst his vote is for Sky we surely HAVE to keep some pressure on him.

As for the "Village Idiot" idea....if he IS a village idiot then surely we want him gone ASAP otherwise he's going to be a nuisance all game <laugh>

We need Sky to join the discussion!
 
Say the mafia are stitching up IBWT by making us think he 's the mafia. One of the ideas would then presumably be for us to start voting IBWT. So presumably a couple (not all) might start voting for IBWT in order to put some pressure on. Or, they may wait to see fit he doubts take hold, and if they realise it is isn't flying, safely deposit votes elsewhere. I'm guessing that at least two of the mafia haven't voted yet.

At no point should IBWT be out on his own no....he surely has to be one name amongst a few front runners though. Whilst his vote is for Sky why would we not?
 
Within the very first part of the OP it says "there may be consequences to what you say and do" <ok>

If Biscan is innocent, I fully expect him to be killed come nightfall.

Voting for him would be silly in this regard because if he is lynched we won't know if we can speak out about being pressured by the heavy.

Of course, if he's Mafia then none of this matters.

or you could be trying to influence us.

right now i'd like to just focus on what we know... and not gt down a rabbit hole of mights.

the votes cast thus far are not written in stone but they do give us 4 players at risk and thats real.

Now you should have seen how i picked my target out at random using the date today and the list i'd done on the sign up thread. thats the sum total of why lucaas is up there. Is this correct?

On day one some lads always skirt by and some always get picked out. there is a good reason why ibwt is up. thats fair... I think ibwt you knew getting the message you'd be up. gerrez is up there for no reason bar being gerrez. Others have not got picked out

so we got to ask ourselves. if we like a 4 way tie are the right guys up and also based on this whats the final vote going to look like. Do we want 2 votes to decide this or do we want 3 or even 4 votes each.. what would it tell us?

I did the maths last time. getting a tie up there increases mafia risk
 
Why would the mafia try and kill sky? Surely as the only known innocent it's ridiculous to try and kill him? Basically anyone who adds there vote to IBWT is mafia. It's too obvious surely?

I'm going to ignore ibwts vote and put it down as being due to the Heavy, for now, but keep it noted down for later in the game incase he does anything else suspicious. That said I don't mind him being in the coin toss, the more in there with me the better :p

Edit: in my first para I mean if anyone votes WITH IBWT for sky! Thought that needed clarifying lol
 
or you could be trying to influence us.

right now i'd like to just focus on what we know... and not gt down a rabbit hole of mights.

the votes cast thus far are not written in stone but they do give us 4 players at risk and thats real.

Now you should have seen how i picked my target out at random using the date today and the list i'd done on the sign up thread. thats the sum total of why lucaas is up there. Is this correct?

On day one some lads always skirt by and some always get picked out. there is a good reason why ibwt is up. thats fair... I think ibwt you knew getting the message you'd be up. gerrez is up there for no reason bar being gerrez. Others have not got picked out

so we got to ask ourselves. if we like a 4 way tie are the right guys up and also based on this whats the final vote going to look like. Do we want 2 votes to decide this or do we want 3 or even 4 votes each.. what would it tell us?

I did the maths last time. getting a tie up there increases mafia risk

Or simply copying and pasting from the OP <doh>

Considering discussions in the previous thread around the Heavy role, I'm 99% certain a innocent claiming to be pressured will be killed. How logical would it be to have heavy role where people can just announce they're being pressured? Only reason I'm not 100% is because Astro likes to mix it up at times.

PS...worth noting that the Mafia can muster five votes at once; four Mafia members plus the heavy enforcement. In theory, they could wipe out Sky this time if they wanted but it would be a bit silly to do that.
 
Why would the mafia try and kill sky? Surely as the only known innocent it's ridiculous to try and kill him? Basically anyone who adds there vote to IBWT is mafia. It's too obvious surely?

I'm going to ignore ibwts vote and put it down as being due to the Heavy, for now, but keep it noted down for later in the game incase he does anything else suspicious. That said I don't mind him being in the coin toss, the more in there with me the better :p

I'm innocent. <ok> I also made the vote before IBWT's revelation (I think), not sure if that makes me more or less suspicious.

I'm not sure on him, but I 'll keep my vote on him for now to keep him in the (current) four-way tie.
 
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