Whose idea was this seat move?

[WhittlingStick]

Whose idea was this seat move?

"im not driving a mini metro"
"im not driving a mini metro"
"im not driving a mini metro"
"im not driving a mini metro"
"im not driving a mini metro"

 

[Amin Arrears]

Simply? But anyway, there's quite a few already gone due to this nonsense. As I say, there's little chance of winning the next no to Hull Tigers vote.

Then bugger off, you won't be missed.

Your continued tantrum over this is embarrassing for a grown man. First off you were whinging that anyone else but you should be moved, proposing futile alternatives such as a ****ing scaffolding entrance to the west upper for away fans FFS. Whinging that the club would look after it's corporates first as if they don't pay 3 or 4 times more for their ticket.

Now this. A prolonged temper tantrum revolving in circles with you splurging the same **** repetitively despite being given your answers over and over because you're too busy screaming after your dummy to hear the answers your given, and too ignorant to take them on board anyway.

You are a petty man and a total ****.

You can die now, if you want.

 

[tigerrev]

Anyone know how it came about?

I don't believe the hogwash about the team requesting it.

I first heard it from Adam Pearson when he was City chairman

 

[Happy Tiger]

Then bugger off, you won't be missed.

Your continued tantrum over this is embarrassing for a grown man. First off you were whinging that anyone else but you should be moved, proposing futile alternatives such as a ****ing scaffolding entrance to the west upper for away fans FFS. Whinging that the club would look after it's corporates first as if they don't pay 3 or 4 times more for their ticket.

Now this. A prolonged temper tantrum revolving in circles with you splurging the same **** repetitively despite being given your answers over and over because you're too busy screaming after your dummy to hear the answers your given, and too ignorant to take them on board anyway.

You are a petty man and a total ****.

You can die now, if you want.

Just read through this entire thread, and its this post ^^^^^ here where someone finally has something sensible to say. Cheers Hatty.

Some people just don't like any change at all, although I'll admit its funny that Dutch is trying to pick a fight with OLM over it. Even after he's had a few responses, he's pulling his usual ****.

If this had been announced before now, it would have been appalling PR again from the club, before our biggest game ever (complaints led by Dutch), if nothing was done at all, we'd be seeing moaning about the crap atmosphere inside the KC, led by Dutch, so yeah, doesn't really matter what they do, or don't do, Dutch and his ilk will moan, complain, then construct circular arguments where he ignores anyone trying to debate, and accuses everyone of not having anything to say, whilst ofc, saying nowt.

Normally I'd be sad at anyone deciding to stay away, but anyone prepared to stay away because of this is no loss, and you should consider sticking by your mates and following their lead Dutch. Don't let the scaffolding hit you on the arse on your way out.

 

[Stuart Blampey]

You're like a broken record. Do you want the answer to be Mr Allam so we can have some controversy.

I would say it was the idea of the Paul Duffen and Adam Pearson who mentioned it years ago but never got round to it and probably because of the semantics involved. It has since been mentioned almost every year since but we have been quite distracted with on field matters and probably financial restrictions.

Now we are in the position of having money and another season in the premiership which has just been achieved in the Allams big plan to take the club forward.

Now using common sense and the fact that many other clubs put away fans in awkward positions we have decided to do the same because it will create a more hostile atmosphere and put more pressure on the oppositions goalkeeper and defence etc

By having the away fans sat behind the goal we are giving them an a psychological advantage which is ridiculous. It might make no difference but it might lead to and extra 3 points which could be incredibly valuable.

As for the location. We'll it seems like the only logical place to move them to.

Why move e1-e3? Because they are the loudest fans and it makes sense to have the loudest fans behind the goal.

And now it has even come with the backing of Steve Bruce and the players.

So the answer to your question is. It is an evolving idea over seasons and seasons that was likely started by Duffen and Pearson and carried out by Allam.

Some people don't like change and some people constantly strive to find controversy in everything. The move makes complete sense and anyone that walks away over it is incredibly short sighted and needs to look at the bigger picture.

I for one would prefer an atmosphere like Selhurst Park because the current atmosphere at the ground is totally ****. We once won't award for best fans when we were in league one and now you can hear a pin drop sometimes.

Are you an Allam Marine employee on nights?

The best solution would have been to tuck the away fans in N1 to N4, almost out of sight of the cameras and next to the corporates. As it is they are still behind the goal, we will still see visiting players rushing over to celebrate with their blocks of fans in N6,N7 & N8.

Steve Bruce and the players want a better atmosphere and have been told to say this will bring it. We'll see.

Change is neutral. Better is good , worse is ****.

I question the motives, timing, implementation and effectiveness of this - as I don't trust the club to tell the truth or act in the best interest of the fans.

Atmosphere like Palace? Do me a favour their fans are embarrassing Continental wannabes with all the chants, flags and ideas copied from foreign clubs. Wavy Davy Nigels who are cringeworthy. Our atmosphere, however poor, will always have more integrity and honesty than their choreographed sham.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Are you an Allam Marine employee on nights?

The best solution would have been to tuck the away fans in N1 to N4, almost out of sight of the cameras and next to the corporates. As it is they are still behind the goal, we will still see visiting players rushing over to celebrate with their blocks of fans in N6,N7 & N8.

Steve Bruce and the players want a better atmosphere and have been told to say this will bring it. We'll see.

Change is neutral. Better is good , worse is ****.

I question the motives, timing, implementation and effectiveness of this - as I don't trust the club to tell the truth or act in the best interest of the fans.

Atmosphere like Palace? Do me a favour their fans are embarrassing Continental wannabes with all the chants, flags and ideas copied from foreign clubs. Wavy Davy Nigels who are cringeworthy. Our atmosphere, however poor, will always have more integrity and honesty than their choreographed sham.

Moving the fans to N1-4 would be utterly pointless, they'd have exactly the same amount of the North as have now, just switched from the right to left and there's no corporates at the end of the West.

The corporates are in the middle of the West, the ends of the West are just normal season ticket holders.

It's also not true that Bruce is doing what he's told, he got the right raving hump last season when we had a penalty at the North Stand end and behind the goal were all away fans, he believes it puts us at a disadvantage and needs sorting.

I can obviously understand the anger from those who are being forced to move, but I absolutely believe it's being done for the right reasons.

I also accept that it's been handled very badly.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Moving the fans to N1-4 would be utterly pointless, they'd have exactly the same amount of the North as have now, just switched from the right to left and there's no corporates at the end of the West.

The corporates are in the middle of the West, the ends of the West are just normal season ticket holders.

It's also not true that Bruce is doing what he's told, he got the right raving hump last season when we had a penalty at the North Stand end and behind the goal were all away fans, he believes it puts us at a disadvantage and needs sorting.

I can obviously understand the anger from those who are being forced to move, but I absolutely believe it's being done for the right reasons.

I also accept that it's been handled very badly.

Why couldn't we just send the away fans to the west upper and throw up some scaffolding for them to get in and out?

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Simply? But anyway, there's quite a few already gone due to this nonsense. As I say, there's little chance of winning the next no to Hull Tigers vote.

you didnt win the last one.

 

[bigfattiger]

you didnt win the last one.

Chazz, really. So far, has been a mature thread with well formulated opinions and no infantile bickering, there's no need to add a childish element.

 

[Fez]

I asked a question because I didn't no the answer. The answer is now a little clearer and doesn't match your version too well.

Sleep tight.

You seem to have read an awful lot into this that simply isn't there. If you'd read my earlier reply, you could have saved yourself the effort. I've got a big part of the answer I was after.

Your insistence on endlessly repeating your question, a tactic that has moved from pedantic to moronic, simply shows how badly the thread was constructed, conducted and intended.

It is now clear that you were not after whose idea it was, but more specifically after who made it an operational reality and who failed (in your opinion) to object to it. You were given answers to the childish question you asked, but you did not have the mallam to ask the right question to promote the blame-game you enjoy boring us with.

I agree with everyone, not just you, that it might have been handled better, but it wasn't. There wasn't a whole lot of time to get organised for FA Cup ticket purchase, but 25,000+ folk got on with it. It's unfortunate for those who see the change as a big inconvenience or a poor change of seating, but i do wonder if the difficulties are as insurmountable as they are being made to appear. Unlike you, DMD, life's not perfect,

As for it not making a difference, or if it does it will be down to the fans (I think that is your view?), isn't that the whole point of the move, give the fans the impetus (that has been asked for) to create an atmosphere more befitting a football game?

A poor thread, deliberately spun out, by you, to do no more than apportion blame in your NIMBY argument and the sad thing is, you couldn't even post the right question.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Chazz, really. So far, has been a mature thread with well formulated opinions and no infantile bickering, there's no need to add a childish element.

Can i have my own thread, please please let me have my own thread.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Hey Dutch. I was in a predicament last season. They made the south the family stand on impulse, so now it's full of young kids. I instantly wanted to move out and the club said ok, I can do once they've processed the renewals, they said there's a week or two to get moved before they go on sale to new applicants.

Sorted.

Except I got completely shafted, they accepted new applicants at the same time as taking the renewals and by the time the period they'd permit me to move in came around the new applicants had taken all the sizeable spaces and there wasn't a group of four seats left vacant anywhere in the stadium for us to move to.

I've spent this season sitting on my hands and having to feel utterly ashamed the odd occasion I lose control of my tongue and yell "I HOPE YOU ****ING DIE YOU CORRUPT BIASED ****" at the referee. It's very embarrassing and shameful sitting back down and seeing parents and 5 year olds looking at me with their jaws so low they're scraping the floor and hearing the comments of disapproval, but sometimes I get lost in the moment and it just comes out. Obviously it wouldn't be a problem if the club hadn't lied to me and shafted me off in favour of new applicants.

So I'm ****ing glad that you lot are all getting shafted because I might be able to escape the crèche because of it. You're not the only ones to be shat on last minute by the club.

Now you can die, if you want.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Hey Dutch. I was in a predicament last season. They made the south the family stand on impulse, so now it's full of young kids. I instantly wanted to move out and the club said ok, I can do once they've processed the renewals, they said there's a week or two to get moved before they go on sale to new applicants.

Sorted.

Except I got completely shafted, they accepted new applicants at the same time as taking the renewals and by the time the period they'd permit me to move in came around the new applicants had taken all the sizeable spaces and there wasn't a group of four seats left vacant anywhere in the stadium for us to move to.

I've spent this season sitting on my hands and having to feel utterly ashamed the odd occasion I lose control of my tongue and yell "I HOPE YOU ****ING DIE YOU CORRUPT BIASED ****" at the referee. It's very embarrassing and shameful sitting back down and seeing parents and 5 year olds looking at me with their jaws so low they're scraping the floor and hearing the comments of disapproval, but sometimes I get lost in the moment and it just comes out. Obviously it wouldn't be a problem if the club hadn't lied to me and shafted me off in favour of new applicants.

So I'm ****ing glad that you lot are all getting shafted because I might be able to escape the crèche because of it. You're not the only ones to be shat on last minute by the club.

Now you can die, if you want.

Plastic. A true fan would have walked away.

 

[Stuart Blampey]

Moving the fans to N1-4 would be utterly pointless, they'd have exactly the same amount of the North as have now, just switched from the right to left and there's no corporates at the end of the West.

The corporates are in the middle of the West, the ends of the West are just normal season ticket holders.

It's also not true that Bruce is doing what he's told, he got the right raving hump last season when we had a penalty at the North Stand end and behind the goal were all away fans, he believes it puts us at a disadvantage and needs sorting.

I can obviously understand the anger from those who are being forced to move, but I absolutely believe it's being done for the right reasons.

I also accept that it's been handled very badly.

Pitting them in N1 to N4 is better than N6 etc as they are less visible on tv.

Putting them in last corner blocks of W and the first few blocks on the N is the optimum solution. In this way they are even further in the corner, less visible and able to influence the ref.

Away fans will still be influencing the ref/game next season from their new location. Will our 'noisy' fans tucked away our of sight of the cameras ? Maybe the rest of the ground could step up to the plate and get behind the team, Unreasonable request, I know.

What a shame folks in E1 to E3 were not balloted or consulted so that they could have a say in all this.

Draw your own conclusions with a man who refuses to use our official name on the renewal blurb.

 

[PLT]

Agreed. I think someone's got the idea somewhere with our small time attitude that we need to be like some other club, but they haven't realised that every other club in the PL has the same noise issues and the one advantage we've got is a long-established and well organised singing section. We're getting rid of that to have home fans behind both goals. Except for the seats with away fans in anyway.

Yawn
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/HULL...arrangements/story-11977231-detail/story.html

HULL City are considering changing seating arrangements at the KC Stadium in a bid to improve the atmosphere at home games.

The Tigers are looking at the possibility of moving away fans out of the North Stand, allowing City fans to fill behind both goals.

Head of football Adam Pearson believes this will give Tigers fans use of the best facilities, and help generate a better atmosphere.

"In all new stadiums away fans are in a corner, with home fans at both ends, and there is always a better atmosphere," Pearson told the Mail.

"If we were in an ideal world the stadium wouldn't be laid out as it is now.

"It can't be right to have our supporters stuck in corners of the ground with the worst facilities."

Pearson hopes it will be possible to move away fans into the north east corner of the stadium, freeing up the main area of the North Stand for Tigers fans.

But he admits a number of security issues and systems will have to be looked at before a change can be made.

"I have been told repeatedly that it is down to security reasons but hopefully we can look at it now from afresh and start taking all the obstacles out of the way," Pearson added.

The move would not be an unprecedented as both Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers have recently moved away fans from behind the goals to accommodate their own fans.

It is also the way seating is arranged at the Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea.


no its all a sinister Allam plot

What you on about? Read my post. I'm not even talking about Allam. You're so obsessed with thwarting those who rebel against the great Allam regime that you don't even notice when we're not talking about him.

It obviously isn't a plot, I just don't think it's going to work and hasn't been thought through properly.

 

[Obadiah]

The responses to a simple question and the way the change has been implemented come down to:

1. I've been shafted so its alright for you to be shafted. To me it shows a lack of respect for our supporters. Mr Hat was treated like he doesn't count and so have a large number of supporters in E1 to E3.

2. It doesn't affect me so why are you moaning? I suspect they would have said the same to Mr Hat last season and will say the same to the next set of supporters adversely affected by change. Unless, of course its them.

3. Time to take some personal revenge for something DMD has done, or thought to have done, in the past.

For me the question asked is very straightforward. Is the change coming about because the old FLAG pushed the club to put the away supporters in the North East corner? Has there been continued lobbying for it last season by those involved in the old FLAG and others? If the answer to that is yes then what efforts did they make to ask the supporters concerned for their opinion? E1 to E3 is not an homogenous block, all standing and singing. A number sit and applaud politely for most of the match.

If the club thought our views were important they could have called a meeting and explained what they wanted to do and tried to accommodate the majority of those affected. Not everybody could have attended but people have friends, mobile phones and e-mail facilities to get their point across.

 

[TheCasual]

I'm quite happy with the move. But it's the way it's been done.

We've had no warning and a week to sort everything out. I accept they've had a lot on there plate in the last two months.

They should of release there idea in January.

We're so farcical of the pitch, it's unreal. We may have a Premier League team, but we're bottom of the Championship off the pitch.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

Pitting them in N1 to N4 is better than N6 etc as they are less visible on tv.

Putting them in last corner blocks of W and the first few blocks on the N is the optimum solution. In this way they are even further in the corner, less visible and able to influence the ref.

Away fans will still be influencing the ref/game next season from their new location. Will our 'noisy' fans tucked away our of sight of the cameras ? Maybe the rest of the ground could step up to the plate and get behind the team, Unreasonable request, I know.

What a shame folks in E1 to E3 were not balloted or consulted so that they could have a say in all this.

Draw your own conclusions with a man who refuses to use our official name on the renewal blurb.

Where have our noisy fans been this season then?

This perception that E1 to E3 are loud is just plain wrong.

This move might be for the greater good because as it stands the support from everywhere in the ground is rank

East stand included.

I had to move three times in three seasons. As a grown man and with other far more important things in my life I just cracked on.

I even had to move to an unpadded seat for one season and I'm back in general population now. I can 't begin to tell you how that makes me feel.



Life is so cruel.

 

[The Omega Man]

**** me if its this bad when a few blocks are moved, what is it going to be like when we move to Melton?

 

[Fez]

The responses to a simple question and the way the change has been implemented come down to:

It wasn't a simple question, it was a loaded question, with a specific, but unstated objective. This wasn't clear to everyone, but it didn't prevent the poster from using that to be high-handed.

1. I've been shafted so its alright for you to be shafted. To me it shows a lack of respect for our supporters. Mr Hat was treated like he doesn't count and so have a large number of supporters in E1 to E3.

This had nothing do with the question asked, it simply evolved from the contrived conversation. In anything like this, it is inevitable someone will feel shafted. Do you have a way of avoiding that?

2. It doesn't affect me so why are you moaning? I suspect they would have said the same to Mr Hat last season and will say the same to the next set of supporters adversely affected by change. Unless, of course its them.

Perhaps, if the issue had been questioned in a different, more respectful manner, it may have drawn a different response. As it was,folk were simply answering the question, which, clearly, was wrong.

3. Time to take some personal revenge for something DMD has done, or thought to have done, in the past.

????? Sorry, you've lost me there.

For me the question asked is very straightforward. Is the change coming about because the old FLAG pushed the club to put the away supporters in the North East corner? Has there been continued lobbying for it last season by those involved in the old FLAG and others?(i'm sorry, but you've just used two questions to explain what you think the posted questions asking and it was asking those questions only in your informed imagination.) If the answer to that is yes then what efforts did they make to ask the supporters concerned for their opinion? E1 to E3 is not an homogenous block, all standing and singing. A number sit and applaud politely for most of the match.

If the club thought our views were important they could have called a meeting and explained what they wanted to do and tried to accommodate the majority of those affected. Not everybody could have attended but people have friends, mobile phones and e-mail facilities to get their point across.
i think all serious comment is agreeing that the timing was poor, but I am unsure consultation would have achieved very much more, in fact, it may of made it much worse.

Hope this helps.