Name change discussion

[Quill]

Didi Hamann thinks Grant Holt is a better signing than Nikica Jelavic.

 

[tigercity]

ALLAM DEMANDS FOOTBALL FORUMS BE SHUT DOWN

by Delboy Facey

Hull City owner Assam Allam has called on the FA to close down any internet-based forums which oppose his boyhood dream of re-naming Hull City AFC. In an honest and frank interview with Tigerfeet, Mr Allam slammed sites such as not 606, CI & Happy Clappy as being "a hotbed of thuggery and hooliganism". He added "These people are not fans, they are members of the community and I have no time for them. Look at my CV and tell me if I've ever told fibs? I told you that my buying of Hull Tigers was a debt to the City of Hull and I stand by my words. Who wants to support a team with history? I don't care what they say and nobody has the right to oppose me. I am in charge and everybody else, the city, the council and the fans can all leave. In fact I'll have Ehab lay on coaches and they can all go to Leeds or Hell."

The journalist has since been found in a black bin bag in the Humber.

 

[PattyNchips2]

It is a minority of the potential premier league crowd that doesn't give a fig about what we are called. It's the majority of the real fans who are against it. I d say there's a hard core 5000 who are against it out of say 35000. The rest just want to see Stevie G and his like every week, watch MoTD every week and Come Dancing after they ve read the Daily Mail on a Saturday tea time

after the name change it will be interesting to see how many of you have the courage to stand by your convictions, and boycott the games and just how many of you will be scabs.

 

[PattyNchips2]

ALLAM DEMANDS FOOTBALL FORUMS BE SHUT DOWN

by Delboy Facey

Hull City owner Assam Allam has called on the FA to close down any internet-based forums which oppose his boyhood dream of re-naming Hull City AFC. In an honest and frank interview with Tigerfeet, Mr Allam slammed sites such as not 606, CI & Happy Clappy as being "a hotbed of thuggery and hooliganism". He added "These people are not fans, they are members of the community and I have no time for them. Look at my CV and tell me if I've ever told fibs? I told you that my buying of Hull Tigers was a debt to the City of Hull and I stand by my words. Who wants to support a team with history? I don't care what they say and nobody has the right to oppose me. I am in charge and everybody else, the city, the council and the fans can all leave. In fact I'll have Ehab lay on coaches and they can all go to Leeds or Hell."

The journalist has since been found in a black bin bag in the Humber.

love it!

 

[Amin Arrears]

Didi Hamann thinks Grant Holt is a better signing than Nikica Jelavic.

I just heard that. Described Jelavic as a panic buy, doesn't think he'll do much for us. They all seemed to be in agreement.

 

[Tobes]

Last question first, and it's obviously easy to say it on a message board, but I would not have accepted his money with a name change proviso. I would have thought long and hard about it but still said no. I was ready to face Conference football back in '99 and I was ready to face administration or whatever before Allam arrived.
In regard to the current mess, I would have understood the reasons if he had done market research and could show tangible financial benefits to take the club forward, but I would still not follow a team other than Hull City.
As it stands, all I can see are financial negatives with loss of ticket and merchandise revenue, and an owner who gives no value to my lifetime support for the club. I run a business and, as the saying goes, it is only as good as the people who work here. The football side of his business is doing well because he employed the right person. What he should have done is employ a good marketing manager and public relations manager and allowed them to do their jobs with the same lack of interference he affords Steve Bruce.
To offend his customers in the way that he continues to do is business suicide, every customer has a threshold beyond which the product becomes unpalatable. Mine has just about been reached already, even without the name change, with other customers it is simply Premier League football.

Thanks for the response mate.

I totally understand your view about the potential tangible benefits of the change. It appears to be nothing more than Allam's 'gut feel' that's driven this entire issue.

Someone having the temerity to actually back up that gut feel, with some tangible evidence that supports it, has seemingly put his back up. All I can say is that he's either a very lucky man, or he runs his core business with a different attitude, as people who with that level of intransigence rarely achieve long term success in business.

 

[Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC]

The "gift" claim is correct. Without AA and his millions we would not have a PL club. End of.

He is well entitled to do what he is doing imo.

You do come out with some tripe, Tickles.

 

[TygerTyger]

At the end of the day you can argue between yourselves over the rights & wrongs of this issue until you're blue in the face, it will alter nothing.

The facts here are really quite simple. Allam came up with the name change idea, decided it was a stroke of genius destined to rake in the cash in the Far East & then set about making it happen.....without factoring in that the fanbase might not share his 'vision'. Once the fanbase gave their feedback, he dug a trench, as he's seemingly not a man who relishes having his decision making challenged. The supporters groups dug their trenches & there's been some mortars launched from both sides, with no prospect of a compromise being both possible or acceptable to both parties.

Now Allam has played his trump card & is trying to brow beat the FA (& by default the fans groups) to allow him his way, or he'll take his bat & ball home.

Having followed this debate from the off, this was something that was the doomsday scenario to those who were reluctantly prepared to accept the name change, it's now a real possibility. Given that the man in question appears highly likely to carry out his threat, as he doesn't appear to be a man who goes back on his word.

Surely this now leaves you as fans - collectively - with a simple choice to make.....i.e. Do you want Allam to remain & you reluctantly accept the name change, or do you wave him goodbye, remain as City & face whatever the future holds???

Suggest you count up on here how many are saying they will never go to watch again, deduct it from the size of the crowd for the next home game (after allowing for opposition supporters) and that will give you a fair indication of the effect the name change will actually have.

 

[PattyNchips2]

I demand that 'Dr' Allam publishes it!

oh as long as YOU demand it, it's OK then, I thought you meant a no-mark from a website

 

[Tobes]

Suggest you count up on here how many are saying they will never go to watch again, deduct it from the size of the crowd for the next home game (after allowing for opposition supporters) and that will give you a fair indication of the effect the name change will actually have.

As tempting as that sounds, I've not got the time mate. Give us a clue like?

 

[TigerMarv]

The "gift" claim is correct. Without AA and his millions we would not have a PL club. End of.

He is well entitled to do what he is doing imo.

If the bank loan you money to buy a new car its not a gift its a loan

Thats all AA has done, loan the club money and charge interest.

Until he writes off the loan or at very least doesn't charge interest you cant class it as a gift. All the people that gave me a gift for Christmas don't charge me interest.

 

[Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC]

You do come out with some tripe, Tickles.

IMO, TWT. FACT.

End of.

 

[PattyNchips2]

IF the ALLAMS go im not looking forward to watching the tigers in the conferance or whatever........

I don't care where we end up (leaguewise) or what we are called, as long as I have a local team to support.
the good thing about living in Hull is that it is one of the cheapest cities to live in, so no danger of us doing a Wimbledon.

 

[Tuckin]

What baffles me is with all the financially astute business whizz kids who post on this board, all knowing and seeing, why the hell did we need Mr Allam's millions in the first place? George Osbourne must be knocking down Not606 doors to help him with his current difficulties!

Unless Paul Duffen or Martin Fish are among the regulars on here, I don't quite get the parallel.

 

[Obadiah]

At the end of the day you can argue between yourselves over the rights & wrongs of this issue until you're blue in the face, it will alter nothing.

The facts here are really quite simple. Allam came up with the name change idea, decided it was a stroke of genius destined to rake in the cash in the Far East & then set about making it happen.....without factoring in that the fanbase might not share his 'vision'. Once the fanbase gave their feedback, he dug a trench, as he's seemingly not a man who relishes having his decision making challenged. The supporters groups dug their trenches & there's been some mortars launched from both sides, with no prospect of a compromise being both possible or acceptable to both parties.

Now Allam has played his trump card & is trying to brow beat the FA (& by default the fans groups) to allow him his way, or he'll take his bat & ball home.

Having followed this debate from the off, this was something that was the doomsday scenario to those who were reluctantly prepared to accept the name change, it's now a real possibility. Given that the man in question appears highly likely to carry out his threat, as he doesn't appear to be a man who goes back on his word.

Surely this now leaves you as fans - collectively - with a simple choice to make.....i.e. Do you want Allam to remain & you reluctantly accept the name change, or do you wave him goodbye, remain as City & face whatever the future holds???

Suggest you count up on here how many are saying they will never go to watch again, deduct it from the size of the crowd for the next home game (after allowing for opposition supporters) and that will give you a fair indication of the effect the name change will actually have.

It was Assem Allam's statement, it is Assem Allam's problem. We are sitting 10th in the Premier League with no real debt apart from up to £100 million owed to Allamhouse. If the FA says no and he sells the club we will have some great players and a great manager. We have a ground that could be developed with the correct approach to Hull City Council we would be an attractive opportunity. If someboby came in with more money than Assem Allam and took us into Europe Assem Allam will be as quickly forgotten as Nick Barmby. Part of our history reported in yesterday's papers.

The only question to be settled would be how much of Allamhouse's debt would be written off and that would depend on how quickly he wanted to get out.

 

[TygerTyger]

As tempting as that sounds, I've not got the time mate. Give us a clue like?

There will be a near capacity crowd for every home game this season irrespective of the name of the club. Apart from those who vehemently oppose the change, most are not that bothered, they are more interested in who we sign. I reckon 25 on here who seem to have collected about 5,000 "anti name change" signatures, although that figure does not seem to be reflected in the attendance figures at the ground.

A bigger problem is differentiating between "anti name change" people and "anti Allam" people. There is some overlap, but my personal opinion is that some have an agenda.

No doubt I will be roundly abused for this view, but you can judge for yourself how accurate it is. If you are actually bothered.

 

[PattyNchips2]

5%, that's better than my ISA.
.
Some thoughts on our board that signing Jelavic (whilst a decent player) is partly about tying up more of his money in the club, is there anything in that?

my ISA is 5%, you should shop around.
mine was with Alliance And Leicester, but Santander took them over.

 

[originallambrettaman]

There will be a near capacity crowd for every home game this season irrespective of the name of the club. Apart from those who vehemently oppose the change, most are not that bothered, they are more interested in who we sign. I reckon 25 on here who seem to have collected about 5,000 "anti name change" signatures, although that figure does not seem to be reflected in the attendance figures at the ground.

A bigger problem is differentiating between "anti name change" people and "anti Allam" people. There is some overlap, but my personal opinion is that some have an agenda.

No doubt I will be roundly abused for this view, but you can judge for yourself how accurate it is. If you are actually bothered.

Just for the record, it's about 13,000 signatures.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

There will be a near capacity crowd for every home game this season irrespective of the name of the club. Apart from those who vehemently oppose the change, most are not that bothered, they are more interested in who we sign. I reckon 25 on here who seem to have collected about 5,000 "anti name change" signatures, although that figure does not seem to be reflected in the attendance figures at the ground.

A bigger problem is differentiating between "anti name change" people and "anti Allam" people. There is some overlap, but my personal opinion is that some have an agenda.

No doubt I will be roundly abused for this view, but you can judge for yourself how accurate it is. If you are actually bothered.

You believe that Allam doesn't give a toss about the fans, quite an anti-Allam statement in itself. Yet you offer him your arse on a daily basis. Do you have no self respect?

 

[Tobes]

It was Assem Allam's statement, it is Assem Allam's problem. We are sitting 10th in the Premier League with no real debt apart from up to £100 million owed to Allamhouse. If the FA says no and he sells the club we will have some great players and a great manager. We have a ground that could be developed with the correct approach to Hull City Council we would be an attractive opportunity. If someboby came in with more money than Assem Allam and took us into Europe Assem Allam will be as quickly forgotten as Nick Barmby. Part of our history reported in yesterday's papers.

The only question to be settled would be how much of Allamhouse's debt would be written off and that would depend on how quickly he wanted to get out.

That's a rather rosey version of what could transpire should Allam wish to take his ball home fella.

If he sold the club he's selling a 'franchise' that doesn't own it's own ground, isn't yet a settled PL side & he'd have debts of £100m to account for before he received a penny in essence. Given that we've been trying to sell our club for £125m with debts of circa £45m for years, I wouldn't fancy his chances of getting his cash back.

So what alternative does that leave him? He simply does what Gaydamak did & sells all the intangible assets (players) & trousers the Sky bounty in the summer. Clears the lions share of the debt & leaves the football club to go into administration......

You can't pretend that the football club is somehow immune from his threatened actions imo.