Inline with Craig's suggestion, this thread is around for any general name change discussion from this point forward. This is not to restrict conversation, it's an effort to give it one place to happen so that people who aren't bothered either way can read the rest of the threads without them all becoming the same conversation, as has been happening recently. It's also to stop there being a new thread with the same conversation every time another journalist publishes an article identical to the previous 20 that were the same. Please read the bottom of this post (below the dashed line) before complaining, it should save me having to answer most questions about it. It's long, but it'll take you no longer to read this than it will to filter through the crap each day if I hadn't done this.
New threads are still allowed for the following:
1) Any official statement being made by the club, CTWD, any stakeholders in the club/decision, or the FA, or any official of those groups giving interviews on the matter (eg Scudamore as PL chief recently having the interview where he said he opposed the change, or the FL chief who gave one which suggested his panel may be in favour of the move due to potential benefits lower league sides could have which may be prevented by a no vote here). A general journalist or pundit expressing an opinion doesn't count.
Whether you care either way or not, I don't think you should need to read the whole of the name change thread to find out what the key people involved in the process are saying. The debate on these threads should be kept more about the implications of that person saying what they've said, rather than getting into the rights or wrongs of the name change.
2) Any merchandise launches related to it. At the moment we've just had CTWD with the scarves and memberships, and the PFTS t-shirts/sweatshirt threads. If anybody wants to produce and sell Hull Tigers branded gear then they're free to post links to buy it as well.
As with the previous section, I don't think these one off points should be things getting hidden in the main thread, there'll be people who are against the name change who aren't interested in discussing it all the time but who would like the merchandise. Also, as with the previous section, which ever side of the issue the merchandise launch is related to, the discussion on the threads should be about the merchandise itself rather than the issue of the name change. The PFTS thread(s) have been respected in this way so far, with the owner of the business being on the site getting feedback and looking to extend the range based on demand from customers without interference from the others. If someone does Hull Tigers gear I'd expect the same respect to be given to those threads, if a company is offering a service which is legal and is wanted by users on here then it should be left be.
3) Any other major development - eg other clubs doing something which suggests they're going to follow suit, stewards trying to seize banners in the ground again, that kind of isolated incident.
If other than the above exemptions anything is posted on other/new threads to try to change the subject to CTWD or the name change issue then it will be either deleted, or moved to this thread depending on the nature of it. If anyone repeatedly does it and it seems to be intentional then they'll be viewed as a WUM.
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I'm posting this off my account rather than the HC Moderator account partly because I haven't discussed this with the other mods yet, partly because I'm doing this as a trial run, and partly because I want to be able to put my personal views on the matter in this section of the post without it appearing as an official thing from all of us mods. So the following bit is me speaking as an individual, but as an individual who has to deal with the situation.
Firstly, I don't particularly like restricting where conversation can and can't take place, but in the past as a forum we've accepted things like restricting pictures of a certain nature to Miff's threads so that they can be easily avoided, and that during transfer windows we should have stickies for transfers (both City specific and for other clubs) rather than having the board flooded with threads about it so it's not unprecedented when there's a need for it.
Secondly, in the past when there's been a major issue affecting the club (eg Pearson leaving, Barmby getting sacked etc) as a group of moderators (either the current set, or OLM in the past) we've let the heated emotions run freely much more than we would have done under normal circumstances. People have been pissed off, we've understood it, let it be vented, and after a few days it's returned to normal. I don't see an issue with that, it's a passionate game and clamping down it at times like that tends to just piss people off even more.
Now the name change has created a major issue for the club, and obviously on here. As mods we've just left if alone except for when there's been outside interference by people who've stated they intend to disrupt things. It's got to the point now though where nearly every thread somebody on one side or the other tries to turn it into a thread about the issue. I'm getting sick of reading the same conversation between people on both sides who aren't going to change their views regardless of what's said. I'm somebody who actually wants to know the details of what's going on, so if I'm feeling like that there's clearly going to be a lot of people feeling the same way or who are even more tired of it.
We've got at least 6 more weeks of it, and potentially another 3 months of it as a minimum time for this to be rumbling on before the FA make their initial decision. With the potential for legal cases after that as well there's no point in us trying to just let it run it's course like previously, so I want to try to sort this out now, whilst I'm not as busy elsewhere as I have been.
I can't see why we shouldn't give Craig's idea a trial at least. It allows the conversations to still take place, whilst allowing people who are bored of the issue to read everything else without having to filter through each post. I do think we need the exemptions given, and for the reasons given. If I've missed any, or there's changes that can be made then feel free to suggest them and we can decide whether to add them or not. This is a particular point if anybody feels there's anything one sided about this idea being brought in. I've tried to balance it up, obviously with things like the merchandise issues there's only one side involved so far so I've had to just say both sides can do it, but if anyone feels there's anything about this that handicaps one side of the debate's case more than the other I'll try to correct it.
The point of this isn't to make the debate about the name change into the best debate in the world ever, it's about returning the rest of the threads to being about other things without them being hijacked. The easiest way to achieve that is for us as mods to have somewhere we can move the posts to instantly that it's accepted they will be moved to (ie this thread). If in a few weeks this isn't having the desired effect then we can go back to how it has been, if it is having the desired effect then we'll keep it and everybody except the wums will be happy about that.
New threads are still allowed for the following:
1) Any official statement being made by the club, CTWD, any stakeholders in the club/decision, or the FA, or any official of those groups giving interviews on the matter (eg Scudamore as PL chief recently having the interview where he said he opposed the change, or the FL chief who gave one which suggested his panel may be in favour of the move due to potential benefits lower league sides could have which may be prevented by a no vote here). A general journalist or pundit expressing an opinion doesn't count.
Whether you care either way or not, I don't think you should need to read the whole of the name change thread to find out what the key people involved in the process are saying. The debate on these threads should be kept more about the implications of that person saying what they've said, rather than getting into the rights or wrongs of the name change.
2) Any merchandise launches related to it. At the moment we've just had CTWD with the scarves and memberships, and the PFTS t-shirts/sweatshirt threads. If anybody wants to produce and sell Hull Tigers branded gear then they're free to post links to buy it as well.
As with the previous section, I don't think these one off points should be things getting hidden in the main thread, there'll be people who are against the name change who aren't interested in discussing it all the time but who would like the merchandise. Also, as with the previous section, which ever side of the issue the merchandise launch is related to, the discussion on the threads should be about the merchandise itself rather than the issue of the name change. The PFTS thread(s) have been respected in this way so far, with the owner of the business being on the site getting feedback and looking to extend the range based on demand from customers without interference from the others. If someone does Hull Tigers gear I'd expect the same respect to be given to those threads, if a company is offering a service which is legal and is wanted by users on here then it should be left be.
3) Any other major development - eg other clubs doing something which suggests they're going to follow suit, stewards trying to seize banners in the ground again, that kind of isolated incident.
If other than the above exemptions anything is posted on other/new threads to try to change the subject to CTWD or the name change issue then it will be either deleted, or moved to this thread depending on the nature of it. If anyone repeatedly does it and it seems to be intentional then they'll be viewed as a WUM.
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I'm posting this off my account rather than the HC Moderator account partly because I haven't discussed this with the other mods yet, partly because I'm doing this as a trial run, and partly because I want to be able to put my personal views on the matter in this section of the post without it appearing as an official thing from all of us mods. So the following bit is me speaking as an individual, but as an individual who has to deal with the situation.
Firstly, I don't particularly like restricting where conversation can and can't take place, but in the past as a forum we've accepted things like restricting pictures of a certain nature to Miff's threads so that they can be easily avoided, and that during transfer windows we should have stickies for transfers (both City specific and for other clubs) rather than having the board flooded with threads about it so it's not unprecedented when there's a need for it.
Secondly, in the past when there's been a major issue affecting the club (eg Pearson leaving, Barmby getting sacked etc) as a group of moderators (either the current set, or OLM in the past) we've let the heated emotions run freely much more than we would have done under normal circumstances. People have been pissed off, we've understood it, let it be vented, and after a few days it's returned to normal. I don't see an issue with that, it's a passionate game and clamping down it at times like that tends to just piss people off even more.
Now the name change has created a major issue for the club, and obviously on here. As mods we've just left if alone except for when there's been outside interference by people who've stated they intend to disrupt things. It's got to the point now though where nearly every thread somebody on one side or the other tries to turn it into a thread about the issue. I'm getting sick of reading the same conversation between people on both sides who aren't going to change their views regardless of what's said. I'm somebody who actually wants to know the details of what's going on, so if I'm feeling like that there's clearly going to be a lot of people feeling the same way or who are even more tired of it.
We've got at least 6 more weeks of it, and potentially another 3 months of it as a minimum time for this to be rumbling on before the FA make their initial decision. With the potential for legal cases after that as well there's no point in us trying to just let it run it's course like previously, so I want to try to sort this out now, whilst I'm not as busy elsewhere as I have been.
I can't see why we shouldn't give Craig's idea a trial at least. It allows the conversations to still take place, whilst allowing people who are bored of the issue to read everything else without having to filter through each post. I do think we need the exemptions given, and for the reasons given. If I've missed any, or there's changes that can be made then feel free to suggest them and we can decide whether to add them or not. This is a particular point if anybody feels there's anything one sided about this idea being brought in. I've tried to balance it up, obviously with things like the merchandise issues there's only one side involved so far so I've had to just say both sides can do it, but if anyone feels there's anything about this that handicaps one side of the debate's case more than the other I'll try to correct it.
The point of this isn't to make the debate about the name change into the best debate in the world ever, it's about returning the rest of the threads to being about other things without them being hijacked. The easiest way to achieve that is for us as mods to have somewhere we can move the posts to instantly that it's accepted they will be moved to (ie this thread). If in a few weeks this isn't having the desired effect then we can go back to how it has been, if it is having the desired effect then we'll keep it and everybody except the wums will be happy about that.
