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HULL TIGERS hahaha
can someone please tell me just how many history books will be rewritten if we change our name?
can someone please tell me just how many history books will be rewritten if we change our name?
Trouble at the OSC:
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hear...s-club-board/story-20397664-detail/story.html
It will be pointless if the FA only consults with the OSC. And I'm sure CTWD (and, I hope, many others) would not accept that 'consultation'.
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hear...s-club-board/story-20397664-detail/story.html
It will be pointless if the FA only consults with the OSC. And I'm sure CTWD (and, I hope, many others) would not accept that 'consultation'.
'My heart is with Hull City. That is why I had to quit my place on supporters' club board'
By Hull Daily Mail | Posted: January 04, 2014
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Chris Smith, inset, says he quit the board of Hull City Official Supporters' Club in smpathy with fans protesting against the plan to rename the club Hull Tigers
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Chris Smith, one of Hull City's most prominent fans, tells Kevin Shoesmith about his decision to quit the club's official supporters' club
HE WAS once the “face” of Hull City Official Supporters’ Club, fielding calls from the nation’s media during the push for promotion.
But Chris Smith, a fan of 55 years, is no longer a member of the club’s inner circle and he may even through-in his prized season ticket, because, he says, his heart refuses to allow him to tow the party line.
Until October, Chris – a retired town clerk – was the marketing and media officer for the club, which has branches in Hull, Beverley, Hornsea, Withernsea, Cottingham, Welton, and Driffield and Market Weighton.
A few weeks later, he stepped down as chairman of the Hornsea branch, which he founded three years ago.
For the first time, Chris, 64, lifts the lid on his decision to quit.
“I clearly was not on the same wavelength as other board members,” he says in a tone carefully chosen to convey defiance, but not malice.
“I felt I was closer to the fans than the board.
“I also felt they were too close to the club (Hull City), but that’s not a criticism.
“I understand that it’s a real dilemma for them.”
Chris is, of course, referring to the long-running saga over Assem Allam’s decision to rename the club Hull Tigers. The Football Association (FA) has promised to consult with fans, before making a final decision in time for the 2013/14 season.
However, some fans fear the FA will gauge reaction to Mr Allam’s proposal from the Hull City Official Supporters’ Club – a significant, but still only one, segment of the loyal fan base.
“How can you be objective, representing the views of fans, when you have ‘Official’ in your name?” says Chris, now an ordinary member of the supporters’ club.
“That’s the problem the club faces.
“It doesn’t want to rock the boat and lose any of the benefits that members currently enjoy, such as the player visits and discounted club kit and merchandise.”
Several weeks before the “City Til I Die” campaign gathered momentum, Chris says he approached Hull City Official Supports’ Club with the idea of selling T-shirts.
“I sensed the mood among fans and realised that we should be doing something,” he says.
“The T-shirts had on them ‘City Til I Die’ – the song City fans sing at games,” says Chris. “The board felt that they did not want to antagonise the club.
“The board felt it would be insensitive to go against Assem Allam.”
Other fans’ groups, including City Independent, Amber Nectar, Tiger Link, Tiger Chat and Hull City Ultras, have voiced opposition to Mr Allams’ name-change.
“These groups have all come together under the ‘City Til I Die’ umbrella,” says Chris.
“The only group that hasn’t is Hull City Official Supporters’ Club.”
But Chris, who watched his first game at Boothferry Park aged nine, said he knew where his allegiances lay.
“Unfortunately, Mr Allam does not seem to understand how attached someone can be to a football club,” he says.
“When I go to a match, I say, ‘I’m off to see City’.”
Last season, Chris earned praise among fans for denouncing “Draconian” police tactics used by West Yorkshire Police when City played Huddersfield Town.
He has also been a vocal supporter of plans to reinstate standing terraces at the nation’s grounds.
Chris says: “Football is a passion.
“The club entered the football league in 1904 – I have been supporting the club for half that time.
“In my opinion, a football club is like a listed building.
“Someone may own it, but you can’t do anything to it unless you go through the correct channels and consult properly those living nearby.”
Chris, whose father worked on the turnstiles at Boothferry Park, plans to vote with his feet if the FA agree to the name change.
“I would not renew my season ticket,” he says. “It would not be the club I have been supporting all these years.
“It would break my heart not going to see City, but how else do you express your opposition to something you believe is wrong?”
No-one from Hull City Official Supporters’ Club was available for comment.
I said it was TOW THE PARTY LINE...........
What the **** have feet got to do with it? toe? hahahahaha
By Hull Daily Mail | Posted: January 04, 2014
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Chris Smith, inset, says he quit the board of Hull City Official Supporters' Club in smpathy with fans protesting against the plan to rename the club Hull Tigers
Comments (2)
Chris Smith, one of Hull City's most prominent fans, tells Kevin Shoesmith about his decision to quit the club's official supporters' club
HE WAS once the “face” of Hull City Official Supporters’ Club, fielding calls from the nation’s media during the push for promotion.
But Chris Smith, a fan of 55 years, is no longer a member of the club’s inner circle and he may even through-in his prized season ticket, because, he says, his heart refuses to allow him to tow the party line.
Until October, Chris – a retired town clerk – was the marketing and media officer for the club, which has branches in Hull, Beverley, Hornsea, Withernsea, Cottingham, Welton, and Driffield and Market Weighton.
A few weeks later, he stepped down as chairman of the Hornsea branch, which he founded three years ago.
For the first time, Chris, 64, lifts the lid on his decision to quit.
“I clearly was not on the same wavelength as other board members,” he says in a tone carefully chosen to convey defiance, but not malice.
“I felt I was closer to the fans than the board.
“I also felt they were too close to the club (Hull City), but that’s not a criticism.
“I understand that it’s a real dilemma for them.”
Chris is, of course, referring to the long-running saga over Assem Allam’s decision to rename the club Hull Tigers. The Football Association (FA) has promised to consult with fans, before making a final decision in time for the 2013/14 season.
However, some fans fear the FA will gauge reaction to Mr Allam’s proposal from the Hull City Official Supporters’ Club – a significant, but still only one, segment of the loyal fan base.
“How can you be objective, representing the views of fans, when you have ‘Official’ in your name?” says Chris, now an ordinary member of the supporters’ club.
“That’s the problem the club faces.
“It doesn’t want to rock the boat and lose any of the benefits that members currently enjoy, such as the player visits and discounted club kit and merchandise.”
Several weeks before the “City Til I Die” campaign gathered momentum, Chris says he approached Hull City Official Supports’ Club with the idea of selling T-shirts.
“I sensed the mood among fans and realised that we should be doing something,” he says.
“The T-shirts had on them ‘City Til I Die’ – the song City fans sing at games,” says Chris. “The board felt that they did not want to antagonise the club.
“The board felt it would be insensitive to go against Assem Allam.”
Other fans’ groups, including City Independent, Amber Nectar, Tiger Link, Tiger Chat and Hull City Ultras, have voiced opposition to Mr Allams’ name-change.
“These groups have all come together under the ‘City Til I Die’ umbrella,” says Chris.
“The only group that hasn’t is Hull City Official Supporters’ Club.”
But Chris, who watched his first game at Boothferry Park aged nine, said he knew where his allegiances lay.
“Unfortunately, Mr Allam does not seem to understand how attached someone can be to a football club,” he says.
“When I go to a match, I say, ‘I’m off to see City’.”
Last season, Chris earned praise among fans for denouncing “Draconian” police tactics used by West Yorkshire Police when City played Huddersfield Town.
He has also been a vocal supporter of plans to reinstate standing terraces at the nation’s grounds.
Chris says: “Football is a passion.
“The club entered the football league in 1904 – I have been supporting the club for half that time.
“In my opinion, a football club is like a listed building.
“Someone may own it, but you can’t do anything to it unless you go through the correct channels and consult properly those living nearby.”
Chris, whose father worked on the turnstiles at Boothferry Park, plans to vote with his feet if the FA agree to the name change.
“I would not renew my season ticket,” he says. “It would not be the club I have been supporting all these years.
“It would break my heart not going to see City, but how else do you express your opposition to something you believe is wrong?”
No-one from Hull City Official Supporters’ Club was available for comment.
I said it was TOW THE PARTY LINE...........
What the **** have feet got to do with it? toe? hahahahaha
Pee off, Patty. It's 'toe'
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/learner-english/toe-the-party-line
(And, anyway, why open my posted link, just to give yourself a pointless laugh?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/learner-english/toe-the-party-line
(And, anyway, why open my posted link, just to give yourself a pointless laugh?
We have been asked to submit our views to the FA and will be meeting them in February to present our case.
That there is the main problem with this site. I posted my views, and an adult, OLM, responded. It's called a discussion. This is a discussion forum. We may not agree, but we can discuss stuff.
You on the other hand, just add one snidey insult/dig, that adds absolutely nothing to the debate whatsoever. By the rules of the forum, I should report it, it should be removed and you should get at least a warning about trolling.
Think I'll just save myself the trouble as we both know what would happen (nowt). It's no wonder our other WUMs and Trolls feel they can act with impunity considering the example set by a mod.
I know its not a massive insult that should result in my hunting you down and avenging my good name, but it pretty much sums you and the majority of your posts up: Petty, worthless and vindictive.
This is the first time I have seen or heard football clubs referred to as 'listed buildings'; it's a very good analogy that should be adopted to protect various aspects of the football heritage.
I have a lot of respect for Chris Smith, he is being very public in his stance; the level of which is his decision to make. I have no respect for the OSC who seem to be driven by lickspittle motives to placate Allem and keep their precious privileges.
My only issue with Chris Smith's statement is the fawning manner to the OSC and Allem; when are folk going to call a spade a spade - Allem continues to piss on your boots while shaking your collective hands - those he isn't ignoring, at least.
I have a lot of respect for Chris Smith, he is being very public in his stance; the level of which is his decision to make. I have no respect for the OSC who seem to be driven by lickspittle motives to placate Allem and keep their precious privileges.
My only issue with Chris Smith's statement is the fawning manner to the OSC and Allem; when are folk going to call a spade a spade - Allem continues to piss on your boots while shaking your collective hands - those he isn't ignoring, at least.
Oh, I did too, sorry Stanners. Cheers for the laugh though!
Surely as less than 2k fans have joined CTWD, not going up against the club IS supporting the views of the majority of the fans and is exactly the stance the OSC should take?
He's also still a member of the OSC I note.
All three surveys conducted by the OSC showed a majority opposed to changing the name. Perhaps the OSC should do what its members want.
To paraphrase yourself, surely less than 2,000 members after god knows how many years shows the OSC doesn't represent the majority of fans.
I don't see remaining as a member of the OSC as being something remarkable. Having stood down from his senior position he has made a public stance within the ranks of the organisation; remaining within it means he can try and effect change on the organisation's policy, as and when he sees fit.
Although I have been frustrated with some elements of the approach of CTWD, I have not cancelled my membership. I figuratively 'threw it in the bin' but realistically decided not to after discussing my concerns on here; I embrace the primary objective as being anti-name-change, I respect the rights of someone to be a pro-name-changer (their physco-analysis can follow later
) and I will continue to question the campaigns reps on this board as I see fit; although always respectfully, I hope.
OK - Pax.
Confused me there, with Pax, Stan; always thought it to mean 'passengers' (I think Happy will relate to that). When I was a kid, it was always 'King's' (with crossed fingers) when wanting peace in a game - we didn't realise it, but it was a shortened version of 'King's Peace', calling on his protection. A bit of Satdee trivia for you
Agreed, I don't think either groups represent the fans, but it clearly shows the majority of fans who aren't in the OSC and aren't in CTWD aren't against the name change.
Honestly, 2 quid to make a point for anyone who feels strongly enough about it, and you have way less than 2k. That clearly shows you're pushing the views of a minority.
I suspect the majority of OSC members are there for discounts, which went down anyhow 2 years ago, not to influence anything at the club. CTWD represents the "noisy 5%" although you don't seem to quite have even 5% of the fanbase yet.
Confused me there, with Pax, Stan; always thought it to mean 'passengers' (I think Happy will relate to that). When I was a kid, it was always 'King's' (with crossed fingers) when wanting peace in a game - we didn't realise it, but it was a shortened version of 'King's Peace', calling on his protection. A bit of Satdee trivia for you
Yeha, RAF/Military thing. I assumed he meant I was welcome on board lol.
No - it's short for pax vobiscum = Peace be with You.
We used to say "Kings" too, Fez. Never knew it was short for "King's Peace".
We used to say "Kings" too, Fez. Never knew it was short for "King's Peace".
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