Name change discussion

[Muffinthegoat]

I am of the opinion that the owner may have very good reason to be doing what he is doing.The fact he is keeping his cards close to his chest is what a prudent business man would do.If he changes his mind I will be fine with that.
My concern is that he may well have a sound strategy in mind to keep us in a high position for a decent period of time but this may be hampered by ctwd campaigners.
The fact that we have played some of the worlds biggest clubs in recent times is down to the savvy of the owner.If we go bust it will be due to his ineptitude.If we continue to be successful it is down to him.
He is not trying to call us the trawlerboys or change our colours.I think he has good reason for the name change but if he has to reveal this reason it will possibly destroy the plan in mind.I do not know this.Like ctwd I can only speculate.This does not mean I and others who disagree with ctwd are morons or lesser fans than those who sign flags and wear badges

If Mr. Allam does have a plan in place then the way he has gone about all of this is definitely NOT what a prudent business man would do. The most important thing is to keep the club in the Premier League this season yet his actions have caused divisions between fans, and caused the manager to have to defend his boss over disgraceful public comments. Any division within the club is potentially damaging to the prospects of remaining a Premier League club.
A prudent business man would have a plan in place, and would be in a position to show the fans the benefits on the day a name change was announced. A prudent business man would not lie to his loyal customers, nor dismiss their concerns with appalling suggestions of dying when they want. A prudent business man would not tread on democracy by ordering the removal of a banner with the current name of his team on it. A prudent business man would not get his chief executive to publicly state one thing while being intent on doing the opposite.
Staff at the KC in very high positions know full well that the name change is driven by his spat with Hull City Council and is nothing whatsoever to do with increases in finance.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

He hasn't got a plan, it's **** all to do with business or generating money. It's because he's having a spat with the council.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

Like me, Mr P Park wouldn't be bothered....

Why would he ?
Why would I ?

In my case I prefer Hull City....

Its just not a big deal either way.

I think its the same for Mr Park.

Hull City / Hull Tigers we will still go and still follow the team as always.

Right or wrong that's just how it is.

I sang City Till I Die yesterday because I always have done
its NOT a protest song because we have sang it for years.

I never sing we say no because for me I'd have to sing 'I say I'm not bothered''

And I hope we can all die when WE WANT ....which hopefully won't be for years and years yet and that applies to EVERONE on here what ever your view or opinion might be.

Filey, your support for AA is admirable as is your outlook on life, but would you accept that if the name changes there would be a decrease in revenue from lesser ticket and merchandise sales? It may not be much, but the HDM poll showed that the vast majority of respondents would not spend money on Hull Tigers merchandise. As there are some very diehard fans (including me and my family) that would no long go, the club also loses ticket revenue.

 

[HebridesTiger]

I am of the opinion that the owner may have very good reason to be doing he is doing.The fact he is keeping his cards close to his chest is what a prudent business man would do.If he changes his mind I will be fine with that.
My concern is that he may well have a sound strategy in mind to keep us in a high position for a decent period of time but this may be hampered by ctwd campaigners.
The fact that we have played some of the worlds biggest clubs in recent times is down to the savvy of the owner.If we go bust it will be due to his ineptitude.If we continue to be successful it is down to him.
He is not trying to call us the trawlerboys or change our colours.I think he has good reason for the name change but if he has to reveal this reason it will possibly destroy the plan in mind.I do not know this.Like ctwd I can only speculate.This does not mean I and others who disagree with ctwd are morons or lesser fans than those who sign flags and wear badges

"I am of the opinion that the owner may have very good reason to be doing he is doing"

So you don't have a ****ing clue what's happening.



"My concern is that he may well have a sound strategy in mind to keep us in a high position for a decent period of time but this may be hampered by ctwd campaigners."


Doesn't sound like a very robust strategy if it could go off the rails at the first sign of what should be wholly expected opposition.
But anyway,you think CTWD are a bunch of rank amateurs who are doing more to help his cause than harm it,so surely you should be encouraging everyone to sign up.


"He is not trying to call us the trawlerboys or change our colours."

At the moment

"I do not know this.Like ctwd I can only speculate."

Go on then,speculate.One thing I've noticed with the anti-anti-name change posters is that there is very little speculation about how this will affect the fortunes of the club. Just"in Allam we trust".....fine if that's what you want to believe but many others can no longer trust his judgement.

 

[FILEYseadog]

I think you would still go Mr Muffin.....its in your blood. .

Easy to say your not still going to go but almost impossible not to go.

Besides....everyone will still sing the same songs and call the club Hull City.

I'll always say I support Hull City, or the Tigers.

I don't know..

Im not saying my opinion , view it right.

Just how it is for me that's all.

I'm not a plastic or a premier league only fan. No chance.

I'm a traditionalist type of person...I would not be seen dead on a twist and go vespa I hate them....I won't ever have a car....its vespas n lambrettas always.but not a modern one !

My music collection is all trojan reggae n ska and I hate everything else.

I'm still in1971.

I still wear my red bracees n Ben Sherman's , iv even got a couple of original grandad vests..lol....I only wear shoes if I go were I can't get in in DMs and then its got to be brouges or loafers...

I hope no one stops going I really do..

I don't know....the last couple of seasons have been great...

I'm not going to let a name change spoil it...

No one has to think the way I do.

If I had my way we would still have standing.

I would have rather we had re vamped Boothferry Park.

Most of the reasons I like the Allams have nothing to do with footy.

Right....I'll keep off the name change threads ...really.

Just have loads of great times everyone OK because that's important !

Even more then footy

 

[originallambrettaman]

I am of the opinion that the owner may have very good reason to be doing what he is doing.The fact he is keeping his cards close to his chest is what a prudent business man would do.If he changes his mind I will be fine with that.
My concern is that he may well have a sound strategy in mind to keep us in a high position for a decent period of time but this may be hampered by ctwd campaigners.
The fact that we have played some of the worlds biggest clubs in recent times is down to the savvy of the owner.If we go bust it will be due to his ineptitude.If we continue to be successful it is down to him.
He is not trying to call us the trawlerboys or change our colours.I think he has good reason for the name change but if he has to reveal this reason it will possibly destroy the plan in mind.I do not know this.Like ctwd I can only speculate.This does not mean I and others who disagree with ctwd are morons or lesser fans than those who sign flags and wear badges

Unlike CTWD, you haven't met the man and heard first hand that there is absolutely no plan, no plan whatsoever, the bloke just thinks if he says it, then people will agree with it, as that's what he's used to.

He's pissed off a large slice of his existing customers, with some ridiculous idea about generating income from new fans in China, who don't actually give a **** what we're called. That's appalling business, he's obviously successful at making diesel generators, but he's making a right mess of running a football club.

He's got us a good manager and he's got us to the Premier League, but at what cost? Our debt is now three times what it was under Barlett and if anything happened to AA, we'd be ****ed.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

I think you would still go Mr Muffin.....its in your blood. .

Easy to say your not still going to go but almost impossible not to go.

Besides....everyone will still sing the same songs and call the club Hull City.

I'll always say I support Hull City, or the Tigers.

I don't know..

Im not saying my opinion , view it right.

Just how it is for me that's all.

I'm not a plastic or a premier league only fan. No chance.

I'm a traditionalist type of person...I would not be seen dead on a twist and go vespa I hate them....I won't ever have a car....its vespas n lambrettas always.but not a modern one !

My music collection is all trojan reggae n ska and I hate everything else.

I'm still in1971.

I still wear my red bracees n Ben Sherman's , iv even got a couple of original grandad vests..lol....I only wear shoes if I go were I can't get in in DMs and then its got to be brouges or loafers...

I hope no one stops going I really do..

I don't know....the last couple of seasons have been great...

I'm not going to let a name change spoil it...

No one has to think the way I do.

If I had my way we would still have standing.

I would have rather we had re vamped Boothferry Park.

Most of the reasons I like the Allams have nothing to do with footy.

Right....I'll keep off the name change threads ...really.

Just have loads of great times everyone OK because that's important !

Even more then footy

I very definitely will no longer go if the name changes. I've said before there are four of us go together and we occasionally meet up with a friend and his 3 young sons. None of us will go. That's £2000 a season on tickets and merchandise plus regular and vociferous away support. You are right when you say it's in my blood, but that would be Hull City. Nothing else.
So, would you then accept that a name change will definitely cost the club revenue in lost ticket and merchandise sales while there is no proof that a name change will increase revenue?

 

[Calamty Jane]

If Mr. Allam does have a plan in place then the way he has gone about all of this is definitely NOT what a prudent business man would do. The most important thing is to keep the club in the Premier League this season yet his actions have caused divisions between fans, and caused the manager to have to defend his boss over disgraceful public comments. Any division within the club is potentially damaging to the prospects of remaining a Premier League club.
A prudent business man would have a plan in place, and would be in a position to show the fans the benefits on the day a name change was announced. A prudent business man would not lie to his loyal customers, nor dismiss their concerns with appalling suggestions of dying when they want. A prudent business man would not tread on democracy by ordering the removal of a banner with the current name of his team on it. A prudent business man would not get his chief executive to publicly state one thing while being intent on doing the opposite.
Staff at the KC in very high positions know full well that the name change is driven by his spat with Hull City Council and is nothing whatsoever to do with increases in finance.

On this forum I have been informed recently that the new Cardiff manager was going to be Paul Ince and he would be taking his son with him.This had been pre arranged.This was not true.
The things that many people have been accused of on here are not always true or they are distorted versions of what has happened or been said.
I can tell by the passion of your reply to my post you believe in the arguments against the owner and the financial dire consequences of what he is proposing.I do not know(and neither does anyone else on here)what plan or absence of plan exists.
The fact that people say they will not buy this or that does not mean it is true.
I think the owner is savvy enough to realise dropping out of the Prem will cost far more than locally sold merchandise remaining unsold will cost.
IF and I emphasise IF by changing the name it brought in more corporate box revenue it would dwarf the POSSIBLE downturn in merchandise sales.I remember the financial ramifications for one person in a corporate area compared to normal ticket buyers.
I do appreciate you are entitled to your opinion Muffin.I am entitled to my equally passionately held opinion.
I have learned to not take FACTS posted on here to be facts in reality'
I do not know the true motivations of Mr A anymore than those of OLM and his mates.
What I do know is we are in the best place we have been in my 48 years following the team and that is down to Mr A.The worst case scenario is we go bust and cease to exist(the same worst case as very recently)If that happens I will still be glad we had our seasons of promo and the Prem rather than we went tits up 2 years ago.
The best case scenario is we continue to grow into a regular prem club with the odd trip to Wembley and foray into Europe.
Take a look over in Italy if you want to see where things may be heading if we just want to stand still and do things the way we always have.Long established teams have gone.They are not coming back ever.The youth of these towns and cities will support the big teams and the link with local football will be broken.We are not talking about Scarborough size places-we are talking Bolton and Hull size places.
The big boys will continue to manipulate the rules and finances to their own ends.We will be lucky to survive this.IMO based on performance so far we have never had an owner more likely to at least improve our chances of survival

 

[originallambrettaman]

Bolton is half the size of Hull.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

On this forum I have been informed recently that the new Cardiff manager was going to be Paul Ince and he would be taking his son with him.This had been pre arranged.This was not true.
The things that many people have been accused of on here are not always true or they are distorted versions of what has happened or been said.
I can tell by the passion of your reply to my post you believe in the arguments against the owner and the financial dire consequences of what he is proposing.I do not know(and neither does anyone else on here)what plan or absence of plan exists.
The fact that people say they will not buy this or that does not mean it is true.
I think the owner is savvy enough to realise dropping out of the Prem will cost far more than locally sold merchandise remaining unsold will cost.
IF and I emphasise IF by changing the name it brought in more corporate box revenue it would dwarf the POSSIBLE downturn in merchandise sales.I remember the financial ramifications for one person in a corporate area compared to normal ticket buyers.
I do appreciate you are entitled to your opinion Muffin.I am entitled to my equally passionately held opinion.
I have learned to not take FACTS posted on here to be facts in reality'
I do not know the true motivations of Mr A anymore than those of OLM and his mates.
What I do know is we are in the best place we have been in my 48 years following the team and that is down to Mr A.The worst case scenario is we go bust and cease to exist(the same worst case as very recently)If that happens I will still be glad we had our seasons of promo and the Prem rather than we went tits up 2 years ago.
The best case scenario is we continue to grow into a regular prem club with the odd trip to Wembley and foray into Europe.
Take a look over in Italy if you want to see where things may be heading if we just want to stand still and do things the way we always have.Long established teams have gone.They are not coming back ever.The youth of these towns and cities will support the big teams and the link with local football will be broken.We are not talking about Scarborough size places-we are talking Bolton and Hull size places.
The big boys will continue to manipulate the rules and finances to their own ends.We will be lucky to survive this.IMO based on performance so far we have never had an owner more likely to at least improve our chances of survival

So are you still of the opinion that his actions so far in relation to the name change are those of a prudent business man? You have valid points about wanting to change, or move the club forward. I'm just trying to demonstrate that everything he has done in relation to the name change does just the opposite and will continue to do so and has in fact jeopardised our Premier League survival.

 

[Calamty Jane]

Bolton is half the size of Hull.

I know -there are a number of teams from places of different sizes that no longer exist.OLM -maybe you should try nit picking to deflect from the argument.

 

[Calamty Jane]

So are you still of the opinion that his actions so far in relation to the name change are those of a prudent business man? You have valid points about wanting to change, or move the club forward. I'm just trying to demonstrate that everything he has done in relation to the name change does just the opposite and will continue to do so and has in fact jeopardised our Premier League survival.

Thank you for seriously asking me questions.My view is I do not know what his plan is or is not.I can see how your conclusion is reached BUT I would argue that until the name is changed we will not know if it was a good or bad move in the history of the club.
Most changes cause upset and incur costs.Like Filey I hated BP closing and the loss of terraces.I am hoping we change back to standing areas
I will still go to city whatever we are called but will not buy anything with cash convertors on it.I will still support my team if we are called Hully Hull-I just do not think it is in the same league as being sponsored by the likes of cash convertors or sponsored by personal injury lawyers or having WYP spoiling a local derby.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

Thank you for seriously asking me questions.My view is I do not know what his plan is or is not.I can see how your conclusion is reached BUT I would argue that until the name is changed we will not know if it was a good or bad move in the history of the club.
Most changes cause upset and incur costs.Like Filey I hated BP closing and the loss of terraces.I am hoping we change back to standing areas
I will still go to city whatever we are called but will not buy anything with cash convertors on it.I will still support my team if we are called Hully Hull-I just do not think it is in the same league as being sponsored by the likes of cash convertors or sponsored by personal injury lawyers or having WYP spoiling a local derby.

I don't mind if fans go whatever the name is, some of my closest friends don't understand why I feel so passionately over a name. If it can be demonstrated how the club will be better off financially I will understand and accept his reasoning but still not go. Unfortunately no one, not one person, has given the slightest hint as to where a financial benefit will occur. As I have tried to demonstrate, his actions have already had a negative impact and this will be exacerbated if the name change happens. I can look at this from a fans point of view and a businessman's point of view, he is wrong from both sides and this is why I will not support him on this matter.

 

[Calamty Jane]

I don't mind if fans go whatever the name is, some of my closest friends don't understand why I feel so passionately over a name. If it can be demonstrated how the club will be better off financially I will understand and accept his reasoning but still not go. Unfortunately no one, not one person, has given the slightest hint as to where a financial benefit will occur. As I have tried to demonstrate, his actions have already had a negative impact and this will be exacerbated if the name change happens. I can look at this from a fans point of view and a businessman's point of view, he is wrong from both sides and this is why I will not support him on this matter.

I suppose only time will tell if it is good or bad for our club.I appreciate when people stand for a cause but hope people do not commit to drastic decisions until we do see the outcome.Anywat I appreciate your views and your interest in mine.Good luck and I hope you do wait to see how things pan out before deciding on whether to stop going.
PS I will be the 1st on here to admit I was wrong if we are being sold down the river.

 

[PLT]

I am of the opinion that the owner may have very good reason to be doing what he is doing.The fact he is keeping his cards close to his chest is what a prudent business man would do.If he changes his mind I will be fine with that.
My concern is that he may well have a sound strategy in mind to keep us in a high position for a decent period of time but this may be hampered by ctwd campaigners.
The fact that we have played some of the worlds biggest clubs in recent times is down to the savvy of the owner.If we go bust it will be due to his ineptitude.If we continue to be successful it is down to him.
He is not trying to call us the trawlerboys or change our colours.I think he has good reason for the name change but if he has to reveal this reason it will possibly destroy the plan in mind.I do not know this.Like ctwd I can only speculate.This does not mean I and others who disagree with ctwd are morons or lesser fans than those who sign flags and wear badges

If he was this savvy businessmen, keeping his cards close to his chest, he wouldn't come out with stuff like he has, calling his club's fans militants and hooligans, based on no evidence.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

I suppose only time will tell if it is good or bad for our club.I appreciate when people stand for a cause but hope people do not commit to drastic decisions until we do see the outcome.Anywat I appreciate your views and your interest in mine.Good luck and I hope you do wait to see how things pan out before deciding on whether to stop going.
PS I will be the 1st on here to admit I was wrong if we are being sold down the river.

As will I if the name change brings in extra revenue, unfortunately my club will no longer exist. At least I won't have to plan my life around the fixture list.

 

[Kempton]

I don't mind if fans go whatever the name is, some of my closest friends don't understand why I feel so passionately over a name. If it can be demonstrated how the club will be better off financially I will understand and accept his reasoning but still not go. Unfortunately no one, not one person, has given the slightest hint as to where a financial benefit will occur. As I have tried to demonstrate, his actions have already had a negative impact and this will be exacerbated if the name change happens. I can look at this from a fans point of view and a businessman's point of view, he is wrong from both sides and this is why I will not support him on this matter.

I suppose only time will tell if it is good or bad for our club.I appreciate when people stand for a cause but hope people do not commit to drastic decisions until we do see the outcome.Anywat I appreciate your views and your interest in mine.Good luck and I hope you do wait to see how things pan out before deciding on whether to stop going.
PS I will be the 1st on here to admit I was wrong if we are being sold down the river.

I find it irritating that you don't seem to understand, that people like Muffin and myself, have already made that drastic decision not to go and watch Hull Tigers, whether Allam has his massive investment or not.

We won't go watch Hull Tigers, no ifs, no buts. Which part don't you understand ?

 

[Calamty Jane]

I find it irritating that you don't seem to understand, that people like Muffin and myself, have already made that drastic decision not to go and watch Hull Tigers, whether Allam has his massive investment or not.

We won't go watch Hull Tigers, no ifs, no buts. Which part don't you understand ?

I do understand you will not go again.I think it is a shame but wild horses would not have dragged me to the match at Udders .Some fans went to the game and that was their judgement.I would not go if we signed an unrepentant sex offender or a fascist as a manager.We all have to decide what we believe in and why.

 

[....]

when it happens , it will fail or succeed .. no point argueing over it as we will soon find out one way or another and I am not going to get petty against fellow fans over what our owner decides what he wants to do .. too busy enjoying the season to cry over something that I cannot seriously (and none of us) control

 

[Fez]

Unlike CTWD, you haven't met the man and heard first hand that there is absolutely no plan, no plan whatsoever, the bloke just thinks if he says it, then people will agree with it, as that's what he's used to.

A class example of why a robust set of meeting minutes would have been very useful.

He's pissed off a large slice of his existing customers, with some ridiculous idea about generating income from new fans in China, who don't actually give a **** what we're called. That's appalling business, he's obviously successful at making diesel generators, but he's making a right mess of running a football club.

He's got us a good manager and he's got us to the Premier League, but at what cost? Our debt is now three times what it was under Barlett and if anything happened to AA, we'd be ****ed.

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