Reasons for changing the name

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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Erm, the loyal fans would leave at the most succesful point in the Clubs history. They'd leave because they support Hull City AFC which would cease to exist.

You've said you can't offer any benefit to the name change. That's all I asked for an answer to.
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ever heard of the term "cutting your nose off to spite your face?"
 
I think the only benefit we can see immediately is that the current owner seems to believe that without it we are fooked, and without him we would also appear to be fooked; so can you counter that, do you have another owner sat in the wings waiting to resolve the owner's dilemma?
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Yes. Sod all to do with principles though.

Now, benefits of the name change?
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as I cant scry with a crystal ball, I'm gonna have to guess at it.
our backing will get stronger from asian markets.
our shirt sales will be stronger.
we will sell lots of merchandise.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
In argument, especially logical argument, the onus is ALWAYS on those making the positive assertion to prove their case. It forms the basis of our legal tradition, where the Crown has to prove guilt, or in theological debates where religious people have to prove God, not vice versa.

In this argument, the assertion being challenged is that the change WILL benefit the Club. I'm not saying it won't, I'm saying I want to see peoples argument as to how it will benefit us.
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Trouble is you don't recognise where your challenge is. If you prove the name change has no benefit (which shouldn't be difficult) it will make little difference because people are already adapting to it purely for reasons of personal choice.

The "benefit" argument is only something Mr Allam has used to support his own plans. Your challenge is to make people want Hull City AFC in preference to Hull Tigers.
 
success will replace the stubborn old fans with newer fans.
OK the new fans will be fickle, but so will the older fans that leave cos of a name change.
WHEN we become established as a PL club, them fickle fans will love the club and the old folks wont be missed.
 
Fez said:
I think the only benefit we can see immediately is that the current owner seems to believe that without it we are fooked, and without him we would also appear to be fooked; so can you counter that, do you have another owner sat in the wings waiting to resolve the owner's dilemma?
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The study the owner commissioned to find out if the name change would be beneficial is not yet completed. From someone that took part in an element of it, it looked unlikely that it would find that it would be successful. Other campaigns that followed similar lines failed.

Perhaps the campaign is the best thing to help the owners dilemma?

So, anyone with a reason the name change would benefit the club?
 
Craig in Nottingham said:
Trouble is you don't recognise where your challenge is. If you prove the name change has no benefit (which shouldn't be difficult) it will make little difference because people are already adapting to it purely for reasons of personal choice.

The "benefit" argument is only something Mr Allam has used to support his own plans. Your challenge is to make people want Hull City AFC in preference to Hull Tigers.
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Nope. That's a challenge on a separate thread.

Here, I'm just interested to see if any of the naysayers have a robust opinion on benefits of the name change.


So far we have a grand total of NONE.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
Cardiff haven't exactly suffered have they? personally I'd prefer it if ALL you old bastards that are opposed to change leave the club to those of us that are looking forward to the change and possibilities the change may bring.
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and this thread is for you to offer some tangible, credible benefits the name change will bring.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Nope. That's a challenge on a separate thread.

Here, I'm just interested to see if any of the naysayers have a robust opinion on benefits of the name change.


So far we have a grand total of NONE.
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no.. your emotive argument wins everytime
NO ONE CAN SEE THE FUTURE

AA is a business man.......... more successful than either me or you, I know he hates the council, I am sure he has thought this through.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
no.. your emotive argument wins everytime
NO ONE CAN SEE THE FUTURE

AA is a business man.......... more successful than either me or you, I know he hates the council, I am sure he has thought this through.
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Nope, it's you that's basing their decision on emotion. I simply asking for something non-emotive that supports the name change.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Nope, it's you that's basing their decision on emotion. I simply asking for something non-emotive that supports the name change.
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oh now you are turning this round? saying that I am emotive? NICE TRY I ALMOST MISSED THAT
OK as a guess... shirt sales will improve.
merchandise will sell.
attract investors.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
OK as a guess... shirt sales will improve.
merchandise will sell.
attract investors.
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You've already said you can't offer any benefits that the name change will bring. Adding a few random guesses doesn't alter that.
 
I refuse to argue with you, this is getting boring.
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point is that neither of us can offer arguments for or against the name change. apart from your emotional reasons for it to remain the same.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
I refuse to argue with you, this is getting boring.
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point is that neither of us can offer arguments for or against the name change. apart from your emotional reasons for it to remain the same.
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It's taken you a lot of words to realise you have no argument, but you got there in the end.

The reasons for not changing have been mentioned in several other threads, but surely, with all the posts against the name change, somebody can offer a benefit in using Hull Tigers over Hull City AFC?
 
Craig in Nottingham said:
A big reason is the high student population.

Students go to Manchester from all over the country (and further) and no doubt go back and sing its praises to their families and friends.
A reputation soon grows and a City will improve it's nightlife to accommodate a high student population which in turn gives the city a "cool" label.

Hulls students are mainly local so the city doesn't benefit in this way.
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I think you will find most of the student population in Hull are from Asia, India and Pakistan with some from Africa. I would say that only 20% are from the UK and of that 20% only 5-8% are local
 
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