Ratings v Everton

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Roland Deschain said:
The ONLY points that I am TRYING to make are:

1. Summer transfer window was beyond stupid. It suggested Burn, Almiron, Dubravka, Murphy, Schar and Wilson were good enough for a full tilt at a UCL season. That we then ended up playing the likes of Ritchie, Dummett, Lascelles, Karius and Krafth as well leads me to....
2. The injury state of this squad, barely going a week without at least TEN players out injured cannot be attributed purely to luck; the squad management has been dreadful since the start of the season when the same XI were being rolled out playing 3 times a week, with the likes of Hall, Miley, Livramento and more sat on the bench and often not even coming on.
3. The obstinance with which Howe plays the exact same way, week in, week out regardless of personnel is weird, as is his odd loyalty to 'big characters'.
4. All of this is evidenced in Newcastle's 2023/24 season - and mirrored in Bournemouth's 2019/20 season. The reason I focus on THAT season is because that was the season Howe spent £30-40m on players including Danjuma, who then managed 15 games as they got relegated. It's the biggest blip on his career and, worryingly, is a trend that has followed him to Newcaslte, along with a bunch of backroom people he had at the same time.

I retract the "signing nothing but British plodders" statement, as it's not actually true. HOWEVER as the season started, Longstaff was still getting more game time than Tonali, Burn has been played throughout, when Trippier was having a torrid time (off the pitch too by all accounts) there he was, playing 3 times a week with Livramento on the bench, then we've given new contracts to Dummett, Ritchie and Lascelles. They may not have been signed as such, but they have been re-signed by this very limited manager who puts character and attitude, maybe even dressing room bants, above actual ability.

I have just never gotten over the Summer window (just typing those words makes me angry, what a clusterfuck that was), the Milan 1-2 Euro exit disaster, and our woeful Luton, Forest, B'mth and more performances. It has been a really disappointing season, and we're still in the middle of an everlasting injury crisis, the Ashworth saga is now, what, two months and counting, Joelinton's contract still not close to signed and with a crap draw against a dismal Everton we're now looking at ECL qualification at best.

It's not what I envisioned when Staveley talked of "winning everything" within 5-10 years. We'll be lucky to get into the Europa League in the near future.
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Dude, too many words. Basically summer transfer was ****, inflexibility, and players likely been trained too hard resulting in injury.
 
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Dr Van Helsing said:
It wasn't difficult the 1st or 2nd time and then I realised you wouldn't get there and saved myself.
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You were wrong on both points and fiddled around as usual failing to get out of it. Facts not speculation killed you. Still waiting for anything to disprove that like the usual screenshots. Just hid away on another thread.
 
magpie290761 said:
You were wrong on both points and fiddled around as usual failing to get out of it. Facts not speculation killed you. Still waiting for anything to disprove that like the usual screenshots. Just hid away on another thread.
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I don't need screenshots it was Today in this thread

1. You don't know what Howes aims and long term thoughts were regarding Philips.. you can't just say he only wanted this or that because you don't know that's just your assumption.
2. It doesn't matter if dummett played cb in the cups it didn't work at LB vs Everton and the manager got that call wrong.
 
Dr Van Helsing said:
I don't need screenshots it was Today in this thread

1. You don't know what Howes aims and long term thoughts were regarding Philips.. you can't just say he only wanted this or that because you don't know that's just your assumption.
2. It doesn't matter if dummett played cb in the cups it didn't work at LB vs Everton and the manager got that call wrong.
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At last. An attempt.
1. I never said I know what Howes long term thoughts were regarding Phillips. I said we went for him only on loan which was a fact as previously pointed out, not speculation. It was also because despite money problems we were decimated in midfield, also a fact.
Unlike yourself who clearly said Howe would have bought Phillips in January if we had the money which is exactly the speculation you were accusing me of.
2. Howes call v Everton was an experienced player who has very regularly played at LB and did extremely well albeit at left cb v Man City and Man Utd and wasn’t called useless then v a very inexperienced young lad with virtually no first team experience from a struggling under 21 team who also mainly plays CB now. Dummett made a blunder as any player can but Howe isn’t to blame for that and made the correct call at the time. If he’d put Murphy on and he had blundered you would be on his back for throwing the lad into the fire. I. e with you Howe couldn’t win.
3. I was also discussing Howe signing British plodders which Roly and yourself are obsessed with. After making my points there Roly actually agreed with my points. Still waiting for your reply on that.
 
magpie290761 said:
At last. An attempt.
1. I never said I know what Howes long term thoughts were regarding Phillips. I said we went for him only on loan which was a fact as previously pointed out, not speculation. It was also because despite money problems we were decimated in midfield, also a fact.
Unlike yourself who clearly said Howe would have bought Phillips in January if we had the money which is exactly the speculation you were accusing me of.
2. Howes call v Everton was an experienced player who has very regularly played at LB and did extremely well albeit at left cb v Man City and Man Utd and wasn’t called useless then v a very inexperienced young lad with virtually no first team experience from a struggling under 21 team who also mainly plays CB now. Dummett made a blunder as any player can but Howe isn’t to blame for that and made the correct call at the time. If he’d put Murphy on and he had blundered you would be on his back for throwing the lad into the fire. I. e with you Howe couldn’t win.
3. I was also discussing Howe signing British plodders which Roly and yourself are obsessed with. After making my points there Roly actually agreed with my points. Still waiting for your reply on that.
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1. That is an assumption .. you dont know if that's the only reason he wanted him


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I don't even need to go on further it's all opinions as I've said in the 1st post it's fine.
 
Dr Van Helsing said:
1. That is an assumption .. you dont know if that's the only reason he wanted him


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I don't even need to go on further.
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He actually factually couldn’t buy Phillips so did want him on loan. It’s not speculation it’s fact. As is the fact we were struggling with midfield injuries. If I said he had no interest in signing him full time at the end of the loan that would be speculation as was your speculation that he would have bought him in January if we had the money. Thanks for the screenshot proving my point.
As for points 1 and 3 we still wait
 
magpie290761 said:
He actually factually couldn’t buy Phillips so did want him on loan. It’s not speculation it’s fact. As is the fact we were struggling with midfield injuries. If I said he had no interest in signing him full time at the end of the loan that would be speculation as was your speculation that he would have bought him in January if we had the money. Thanks for the screenshot proving my point.
As for points 1 and 3 we still wait
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You said 'he only wanted Phillips because'

Let's try this a different way.

How do you know Howe hasn't always been interested in signing Phillips ?
 
Dr Van Helsing said:
Let's try this a different way.

How do you know Howe hasn't always been interested in signing Phillips ?
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I don’t that’s why I’ve never speculated or assumed that he would want him full time or not. Unlike you saying Howe would buy him in January if we had the money which was exactly the assumption you were accusing me of incorrectly
 
magpie290761 said:
I don’t that’s why I’ve never speculated or assumed that he would want him full time or not. Unlike you saying Howe would buy him in January if we had the money which was exactly the assumption you were accusing me of incorrectly
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I'll try again

You said he only wanted Phillips on loan because.. that is an assumption... there could be a multitude of reasons Howe wanted him in anyway shape or form.
 
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