Off Topic So, what now?

[BCFCRob]

Have a read of this and see how many lies and false claims the government made on behalf of the remain side of the argument that was put in the leaflet that was posted to every home in the UK, paid for by the taxpayer and never included in the total spend the remoaners made in their blurb.

A little bit dated but it does give a strong case for the fact the lies from remain were strong and misleading and the government under Cameron were a bunch of remainers, twisted the rules of spend with their freebie leaflet and got away with it, especially as it was financed by the taxpayer of whom the majority voted leave.
https://spiritbodysoul.com/lies-in-hmg-leaflet-eu-referendum/

To be fair wiz in my post I wasn't alluding to leave lying, I meant the genuinely illegal behaviour, not just lies.

Sorry to be picky again but some of those claims aren't true (in my opinion) either. Claims 1,2,5 and 12 are untrue... but even then your point still stands in that both sides lied, so I totally accept that.

 

[wizered]

To be fair wiz in my post I wasn't alluding to leave lying, I meant the genuinely illegal behaviour, not just lies.

Sorry to be picky again but some of those claims aren't true (in my opinion) either. Claims 1,2,5 and 12 are untrue... but even then your point still stands in that both sides lied, so I totally accept that.

Blimey Rob I'm agreeing with you again on the both sides lying point, the issue I was also pointing out was that there was a total imbalance of mistrust created right from the start via David Cameron and the remain influenced government of the day (Osbourne , May,Hammond & co) with the infamous leaflet costing (I believe) £9m plus hoping to swing or influence the decision, that £9m was paid by the taxpayer of which the majority voted leave, the liars I alluded too was Cameron and his band of remainers who were the decision makers of the time. (World war 3, instant mass unemployment & devaluation of the £ threats, Obama and USA trade claim)

 

[johngalleyfan2]

I’m confused, are you saying there is a way to stop freedom of movement across southern and Northern Ireland or just telling everyone that you can beat it?

still haven't answered " what the times mean" however... there has always been freedom of movement … but organised [ legal ] freedom of movement is another thing and I don't really SEE AN ANSWER COMING SOON whilst so many have their own agenda's …….

 

[RedorDead]

still haven't answered " what the times mean" however... there has always been freedom of movement … but organised [ legal ] freedom of movement is another thing and I don't really SEE AN ANSWER COMING SOON whilst so many have their own agenda's …….

It’s really self explanatory and didn’t warrant a explanation. But here goes as you’re obviously determined.
The first time I mentioned you posted a comment questioning if response to Robs concern about getting through borders about what will people be carrying and making out it would be easily spotted, preventing people crossing the border.
Then about 20 minutes later you said in another post about how people get through the Canadian border without detection.
Please notice that I did reply to both of the two post to explain my comment.
I hope you’ve now got the answer to the question you’ve been searching for.

 

[johngalleyfan2]

I hope you’ve now got the answer to the question you’ve been searching for.

No

 

[RedorDead]

No

Unfortunately then we’ve hit a buffer. I suggest you go back through the last 100 threads on this board and you will find the answer you are desperately looking for. If not go back through another 100, and carry on. Once you get to the welcome to the Not 606 board thread and still not found it then I suggest repeating it.
Let me know when you’ve done that please.

 

[johngalleyfan2]

board and you will find the answer you are desperately looking for

not desperately looking for an answer... as sure black is white and white is black there will be a result ……!

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

I see Chuka is up to no good again. He couldn't get what he wanted at Labour so left to make up a new party called Change UK. He couldn't get what he wanted here, even as leader of that party. So he jumped ship after crap Euro election results. He has now joined the Lib Dems. Bad news for them and good news for the Brexit party because whatever Chuka touches, it fails.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48631116

 

[johngalleyfan2]

I see Chuka is up to no good again. He couldn't get what he wanted at Labour so left to make up a new party called Change UK. He couldn't get what he wanted here, even as leader of that party. So he jumped ship after crap Euro election results. He has now joined the Lib Dems. Bad news for them and good news for the Brexit party because whatever Chuka touches, it fails.

he didn't only move to start the Change party … changed its name a few times … now thinking along the lines of I MIGHT GET POWER HERE! Lib Dems will suck up any dross that might come their way ...

 

[BCFCRob]

The Good Friday Agreement specifically states there cannot be a hard border. Theresa May is trying to change this but to do so, she needs Ireland to co-operate. Even ignoring the political tensions, it is massively unlikely. And if it was agreed, it is unlikely to stay peaceful.

A little throwback to January 2019.

Best google Cliftonville and see what pops up. Think he will know .

You need to take a step back Rob , you take yourself too seriously at times.

Where there’s a will there’s a way, no one thought there would have been peace in NI , many people put their heads together, made compromises and achieved it . People that were deadly enemies became friends .

You’d be surprised what can be achieved.

no good trying to tell him, others have tried, he may be JC's twin?

I have provided you with examples. Its your view they are unworkable.Two Governments think differently and continue to strive towards finding a solution. Your solution is give up. Failure. Not fight but flight and excuse. Failure. That is remarkably negative.

I have consistently backed up points. I have provided substance. As I said I doubted that you looked up the DUP protocol etc. You consistently ignore those points. That is ignorance.

As usual, I received plenty of **** for raising this over 18 months ago. And what's the top topic in the news today? Just saying...

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

However we voted - and for whatever the reason, there's no way back now. We HAVE to make it work somehow.
What I fail to understand is - why can't we simply IGNORE the Irish border and let the EU erect one if they want? Let THEM build a border and go through all the hassle of managing it!

 

[tiger-emyrs-wolf]

However we voted - and for whatever the reason, there's no way back now. We HAVE to make it work somehow.
What I fail to understand is - why can't we simply IGNORE the Irish border and let the EU erect one if they want? Let THEM build a border and go through all the hassle of managing it!

Or we allow the reunification of Ireland( not gonna happen in my lifetime) or maybe hope for irexit ( could happen in my life time) but I do think a solution needs to be found as unfortunately there will need to be some type of border. They should have gone with a digital border from the beginning and not been like oh it doesn't exist so we can't do it. Why does it always be with governments oh it doesn't exist we cant do that should be oh it doesn't exist let's make something to fix the issue.

 

[Cliftonville]

A little throwback to January 2019.











As usual, I received plenty of **** for raising this over 18 months ago. And what's the top topic in the news today? Just saying...

The topic. The sovereignty of the UK's democracy.

The internal withdrawal, its critics pointing at International law - Tony Blair. A man who ignored International law, launched an illegal war v huge national huge public opposition and was opposed to holding a EU referendum and then opposed to upholding the largest vote in the history of this country. An anti democrat.

The point of the internal withdrawal bill is to free the UK from the European Court of Justice. The UK currently under the withdrawal agreement could be taken to court by the non democratic EU, due to decisions it takes in its democratically elected parliament over its (not the EU's) sovereign territory.

 

[BCFCRob]

However we voted - and for whatever the reason, there's no way back now. We HAVE to make it work somehow.
What I fail to understand is - why can't we simply IGNORE the Irish border and let the EU erect one if they want? Let THEM build a border and go through all the hassle of managing it!

If you don't want a border then what's the point of Brexit? All of the supposed 'benefits' require that border. We require it, not the EU.

This is why Brexit was always a terrible idea. None of the benefits are actually possible. Which is what I said all that time ago to widespread criticism, only it is actually coming to light now.

The topic. The sovereignty of the UK's democracy.

The internal withdrawal, its critics pointing at International law - Tony Blair. A man who ignored International law, launched an illegal war v huge national huge public opposition and was opposed to holding a EU referendum and then opposed to upholding the largest vote in the history of this country. An anti democrat.

The point of the internal withdrawal bill is to free the UK from the European Court of Justice. The UK currently under the withdrawal agreement could be taken to court by the non democratic EU, due to decisions it takes in its democratically elected parliament over its (not the EU's) sovereign territory.

What about, what about, what about. What on earth does that rambling have to do with the main point?

You can't answer the point because you know you're wrong. And yet you've never once been able to admit it on here.

 

[Redprintt]

FFS Rob, let it drop.
You may be right, you may be wrong but we're ending it all in a few months.

Currently there's lots of 'posturing' within the negotiations, let's just see where it all ends up.

Keep your powder dry Rob, you'll have plenty of time to gloat if indeed you're proved correct.
Conversely you may look silly if you're wrong.
There's no mileage arguing now mate.

 

[RedorDead]

FFS Rob, let it drop.
You may be right, you may be wrong but we're ending it all in a few months.

Currently there's lots of 'posturing' within the negotiations, let's just see where it all ends up.

Keep your powder dry Rob, you'll have plenty of time to gloat if indeed you're proved correct.
Conversely you may look silly if you're wrong.
There's no mileage arguing now mate.

Hands up, who has slipped RP a chill pill

 

[Supcon72]

Hands up, who has slipped RP a chill pill

Steve Landsdown did, when he relieved LJ of his duties All the pent up hatred he had for LJ and how he ruined BCFC has now been released

 

[wizered]

Steve Landsdown did, when he relieved LJ of his duties All the pent up hatred he had for LJ and how he ruined BCFC has now been released

He is a lovely chap really, be kind...

 

[Cliftonville]

What about, what about, what about. What on earth does that rambling have to do with the main point?

You can't answer the point because you know you're wrong. And yet you've never once been able to admit it on here.

The topic is about about democracy. That was an answer. The democratically elected UK Government are going back to the EU with a bill passed from a true democratic Parliament.

Its opponents? Same as it ever was. Those who want to concede UK democracy and sovereignty and its territory to the non democratic EU using Northern Ireland and the Republic as tools to attack Brexit and the UK, a UK that wants to be no longer territory of the EU.

Its a very clear and simple thing to understand.

 

[BCFCRob]

FFS Rob, let it drop.
You may be right, you may be wrong but we're ending it all in a few months.

Currently there's lots of 'posturing' within the negotiations, let's just see where it all ends up.

Keep your powder dry Rob, you'll have plenty of time to gloat if indeed you're proved correct.
Conversely you may look silly if you're wrong.
There's no mileage arguing now mate.

Nothing to do with gloating mate. I don't feel any satisfaction from 'possibly' being right on this one, as you say, we're not at the end. But at the end of the day, I received lots of criticism for merely having an opinion that people didn't like, so I'd be interested to see the responses if it does turn out I was correct on this one that's all. I'm wrong on a lot of things as it goes .

The topic is about about democracy. That was an answer. The democratically elected UK Government are going back to the EU with a bill passed from a true democratic Parliament.

Its opponents? Same as it ever was. Those who want to concede UK democracy and sovereignty and its territory to the non democratic EU using Northern Ireland and the Republic as tools to attack Brexit and the UK, a UK that wants to be no longer territory of the EU.

Its a very clear and simple thing to understand.

Wheeling around the point yet again.