Off Topic So, what now?

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  1. raver

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    It was Johnson that said "Bollocks to Business"
     
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  2. Cliftonville

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    Sorry but four decades ago manufacturing equalled a third of UK GDP. The UK was outperforming major economies. When the UK left the EU it was below a tenth, a UK underperforming v major economies not part of the European superstate.

    I find it ironic that I am defending a Tory but It was the EU that said in a form bollocks to humans.

    We can vote Johnson out.
     
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  3. raver

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    It's OK Cliftonville, you dont need to apologise, I am sure it wasn't your fault. The increased friction, red tape and increased costs associated with Brexit will ensure British manufacturing becomes even more uncompetitive
     
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  4. Cliftonville

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    Can assist the UK in vaccinating millions of people now.

    And when the EU deals with its red tape vaccines can be exported.
     
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  5. bcfcredandwhite

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    Really? That would have been 1981 - 2 years into Maggie's reign. Our manufacturing (Aerospace and Marine engineering aside) was an absolute joke and Maggie was ruthlessly culling it - we were building cars like the Morris Ital and the Austin Maestro and trying to compete against vastly improving European brands like VW and Renault plus the emerging Asian manufacturers like Nissan (Datsun at the time) and Toyota.
     
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  6. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    .... now, where have I heard that phrase before...? :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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  7. Cliftonville

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    The car industry is not THE sole manufacturing base of the UK. Its the example a poster used and an example of how part of manufacturing declined while in the EU.

    You here should be highlighting how the EU was a great boon to the UK's manufacturing, protecting jobs and protecting workers rights. Well that is a hard sell.
     
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    most comes from India and Pzifer is processed in Wrexham
     
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    The AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine is being manufactured in the UK
    Any Pfizer/Biontech supplies we get are coming from Belgium
     
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  10. bcfcredandwhite

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    I read the report which was about the factory in Belgium and mistakenly thought it was all made there. My bad - misinterpreted the news.

    Where is the AstraZeneca vaccine made?
    The “vast majority” of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine will be manufactured in the UK, Ian McCubbin, manufacturing lead for the UK’s Vaccine Taskforce, has said.
    There are factories producing the vaccine in both Oxford and Keele.

    AstraZeneca also has some plants in Europe, with sites in Germany and the Netherlands producing the jab.
    The delay in production is reportedly down to a plant in Belgium, which is run by one of AstraZeneca’s partner firms, being unable to hit its targets.

    Where is the AstraZeneca vaccine made? How the Oxford Covid jab is manufactured, after UK supply concerns (inews.co.uk)
     
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  11. realred1952

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    We are manufacturing both but also getting from abroad we put in £m's to help fund it up front … and put our trust in the companies to come up with it … EU FUNDING WAS POOR …
    Belgium does not send doses in small phials the Wrexham laboratory / complex processes it …


    the importance of Welsh manufacturers in the UK’s fight against coronavirus, highlighting once again the strengths of working together across the UK to combat the pandemic.
    Securing this manufacturing capacity means that safe and effective vaccines, produced in Wales, will potentially be distributed rapidly to people across the UK.
    The agreement with Wockhardt complements the new Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre, which is currently under construction in Oxfordshire as a result of £93 million government investment. The UK’s vaccine manufacturing efforts are further supported by an additional £100 million for a state-of-the-art Cell and Gene Therapy Catapult Manufacturing Innovation Centre in Braintree, Essex, to accelerate the mass production of a successful COVID-19 vaccine in the UK. ………………………………
    Wockhardt is a global pharmaceutical and biotech organisation that brings affordable, high quality medicines to market. In the UK, Wockhardt is one of the largest suppliers into the NHS for over 20 years, has had a presence in Wrexham for over 2 decades and employs over 400 people at its 612,000 square feet high-tech manufacturing facility.
     
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  12. Red Alert

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    All those Northern Labour seats who saw their communities slide didnt know what was good for them by not voting remain!!!
     
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    Expect they'll appreciate you telling them they 'didn't 'know what was good for them'.
    Anyway, at least they're glad to have the vaccine.
     
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  14. bcfcredandwhite

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    Sky News explained the situation very clearly - now I understand it much better (I think).
    It's time for me to pay the UK government some positive praise for once. Now I know how RP must have felt when paying LJ a rare complement.........

    - We passed the Oxford virus quicker than the EU passed their vaccines - well done Boris (Its important to state here that we could STILL have gone it alone on this if we were still in the EU, but well done anyway)
    Well done Boris
    - In anticipation, we pre-purchased £millions of vaccines - a big gamble but it paid off.
    Well done Boris.
    - Related to the above, the COVID Task Force ensured that the infrastructure was purchased here in the UK and made available for the mass production of the vaccine - apparently the little glass vials that the vaccines are delivered to vaccination centres in are very specialist and need to be manufactured in a very sterile environment.
    Well done Boris.

    Now, according to Sky, AstraZeneka, because of the early approval (Well done Boris), our UK based distribution has overcome some early teething problems and is supplying the UK as intended.
    Because of the delayed EU approval of the vaccine, the Belgian factory isn't ready to deliver the vaccine to within the EU. The manufacturing process was described by Sky as being akin to brewing a beer or making a cheese - not a case of punching out a metal product - there is a time factor involved which was affected by the delay in approval.

    The EU has now requested that the UK redirect some of our vaccines to them, to pick up the demand from their Belgian factory whilst it gets up to speed. AstraZeneka has refused - or certainly protested, as they have a contract with the UK government that may be put at risk by this 'proposal'

    The EU, faced with this 'resistance' has threatened to restrict the export (to the UK) of the Pfizer vaccine. In addition to this they are reassessing their stance on ALL goods that are being exported, so that they can decide whether to 'throttle' the supply and redirect it internally.

    If this interpretation is correct then it really does make the EU look like the bullies here. They didn't get their house in order quickly, so they are trying to force someone who did (us) to absorb them into our supply chain until the Belgian plant is up and operational, using the threat of switching off our Pfizer supply as a stick.

    However, I suppose that if we in the UK had our own people waiting for a vaccine due to shortages, but were exporting vaccines abroad (like the Pfizer situation) then there would be outrage - understandably.

    Even as a committed Remainer, this doesn't show the EU in a good light.

    Saying 'Well done Boris' was painful too - there's LOADS that he's got wrong, but this time he got it right.
     
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  15. Red Alert

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    I didnt chief read the post again and think for decades Labour has been taking its voters in areas of the Country for granted. Over Brexit Labour knew what was better for them have lets have another referendum you've got it wrong. The EU was no mate of the industrial North.
     
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    Another light to shine. The EU are attempting to stifle legally purchased vaccines exports around the world. The EU has also made a pledge of five hundred million euros to Covax a global initiative to secure vaccine supplies for low income countries. One European County has made a financial pledge that is far larger than the EU's.

    That Country is the United Kingdom - UK meets £250m match aid target into COVAX, the global vaccines facility - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
     
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  17. Red Alert

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    Maybe its a language problem??? Theyve been on the sauce a bit at dinner too much just like when they made just made a simple, honest mistake in trying to impose a hard border in Southern Ireland without actually telling the Irish Government
    about it. Simple simple error. Happens all the time and we should not be too harsh on them!!!
     
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  18. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    The Article 16 disaster was a PR catastrophe for the EU and only strengthened the Brexit rhetoric.
    The fact they retracted it almost immediately will satisfy most of the world - even some of us here - but will it satisfy the Irish? Their border was almost closed with no consultation with them.
    I still don’t think we should have Brexited, but this is deplorable.
     
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  19. Redprintt

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    Rhetoric ?

    It's fact. They panicked and closed the border. They panicked to throw a smokescreen around their shambolic vaccine rollout.
    After telling gullible remainers for 4 years it was essential to peace and the Good Friday agreement. Even Biden was on board.

    One day I hope all will see through the EU 'rhetoric'.
     
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    I’m agreeing with you RP. It was ****e.
    If we were still a member we would have blocked it.
    We aren’t, so they can do what they like.....
    It was ****e though - an embarrassment to themselves and to people like me who wish to remain in the club.
    I can’t - and don’t want to - justify it.
    no excuses.
     
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