I think it would be best to keep the bar low for you, very low; but don't worry, you'll always get under it.
The fact is that just because you have an opinion, it is simply that. Go to the match, stay a home go on the march, none of these was the wrong thing to do. If you think otherwise you are really up your own arses. WYP will pay for their mishandling of the whole situation and in the long term the whole travel restriction process will have to be reviewed. I post on here because it counts for nothing beyond these threads. Light hearted banter at times, hard debate sometime, genuine discussion and humour. But really, It is hard work with some of you lot.
re email from jawaid akhtar to ged mcmanus 20 Feb 2013 14:35 "ged two articles re hull game - interesting the yp editorial is balanced and hughlights the problems where it belongs i.e. with the fans jawaid jawaid akhtar temporary deputy chief constable" how did this bloke get to be any kind of deputy chief constable with that kind of naivety? we could see they were lying, the rest of wyp knew they were lying, and poor old jawaid akhtar, from the dizzying heights of temporary deputy chief constable apparently had no idea at all! was he a yts and was it just his turn to be tdcc that week?
If we hadn't had any fans there, we may not have got the win without the fans encouragement at the game. We finished in 2nd by a whole 2 points. If we hadn't got the win there's a very good chance we wouldn't be playing in the premier league next season. People condemning the fans who decided to go are also the same ones who condemned the fans who ran on the pitch before the penalty at Cardiff, possibly causing him to miss it. Those who went despite the restrictions should be applauded and offered gratitude for taking the banner in. If the banner didn't go in, the whole situation would have missed out on the biggest bit of publicity it got when the sky cameras picked it up. And they possibly helped the team gain 3 vital points that without, we'd most likely still be a championship club.
Also, I seem to remember the WYP admitted that costs for policing the game were the main reason for the restrictions, which they tried to justify through potential trouble, so I'm not sure they can be accused of lying. We didn't help ourselves earlier in the season, I was at hillsborough where a sizeable contingent of knuckle dragging imbeciles decided to tag along and have a scrap with the old bill in the concourse for no reason at all. The facts pointed to the Udders game being most likely trouble free, but with 4000 tickets available there was a good chance those thick cretins could have tagged along and stirred up some bother. Either way there was no way WYP could prove there would be trouble, same as there's no way we can prove there wouldn't have been had the game gone ahead as normal. And before anyone accuses me of defending the WYP, I'm not. The whole situation was a farce and frankly pathetic. It all just smacked of a combination of laziness, ineptitude and spitting their dummy out over the Leeds United court case. We've achieved what we wanted to anyway, I doubt WYP or any other force will try something so stupid again without very good reason. I don't see what else can be achieved. WYP, the other regional forces and whoever is above them will have taken note and won't forget this, that's all that really matters. Gaining publicity to the general public wont achieve **** all, they're a public service, not a company offering a private service that people will now stay away from.
Pictures emerge of Jawaid Akhtar rushing in to do whatever it is he does at WYP. Suggestions as to what his job entails include: brown-nosing Ged McManus, licking Ged McManus' boots clean and letting Ged McManus ride him like a pig at tea breaks please log in to view this image
Meanwhile, a cheerful and unknowing Craig Guilford - out walking with fellow members of the National Rambling Association - is captured seconds before a car full of ruffians and reprobates from Hull come and give him what for! please log in to view this image
It really was as simple as this ^^^^ There was a small group of well intentioned posters (well some) that lost sight of the importance of the principle they thought (or claimed) they were defending - the right of an individual to exercise their own legal choices and inclinations.
Not this tiresome subject again. It happened, its over and City won the game so get over it ffs. The world and his wife knows that WYP were/are clueless muppets and had no reason for such actions but its over and we dont have to worry about WYP anymore. Well for 12 months at least. I've long since put this to bed.
A completely empty away end would have been the perfect response to the situation imposed on us. A sparse gathering means everyone thought 'not great support from Hull today'. People attending the game were selfish, and if they thought their support enabled us to win, how does the support of 6,000 at Barnsley result in an abject 2-0 defeat?
Actually due to the march pre game, and the banner in there, everyone knew why there was a sparse gathering and our actions raised the profile of this. Selfish? lol.
Dull Daily have it on their website this morning. http://www.thisishullandeastriding....tory-19428764-detail/story.html#axzz2X2UYaN37
How did less than a hundred who ran on the pitch before prozzers penalty contribute to him missing it?
Rick's emailed every national newspaper today, with copies of the paperwork attached. I've heard from the FSF, they have copies of all the paperwork too and I heard from Stephen King(HTSA) this morning, wishing us luck with complaints made against WYP.
Good post by exiled on CI... This truly was a case of lies, damn lies, and zero intelligence whatsoever. FOI shows that:- WYP made an un-informed incompetent and unilateral decision two months before the game. Their attitude to both clubs was "take it or leave it" and, when caught out by campaigning fans they set about creating a smear on them and lied about 'negotiations' with the clubs rather than admit they had it wrong. They tried to blame everyone but themselves and went into arse covering mode. When faced with a city and two sets of fans that wouldn't back down they commissioned a 'dodgy dossier' costing many hours of poilice time and tax payers money by spying on kids who post on youtube and surfed Facebook hoping for something, just something, they could use. They found the 'ulltras and a police induced incident at another ground so cut and pasted this into 'intelligence' and told anyone who was still listening that there definitely were weapons of mass destruction in Hull. The dodgy dossier is as you may suspect redacted and not available so we will never know exactly what lies they told about us let alone give us an apology. Next they put up a 'comical Ali' type figure in Ged McManus to repeat the smear and spread the lies via a coordinated media offensive. They sulked off to ITV when the BBC asked difficult questions (perhaps because they had been better briefed earlier by a 15year old school boy) and their media resources were engaged to spin the yarn. It is clear that if they had ever got to court they would have probably lost - ref: case of Leeds vs Derby being higher real risk yet no restrictions vs our game a total 'intelligence fit-up' and category A+ The culture of WYP is not simply cynical or prejudicial towards football fans. Worst than that internally they treat lying and smearing fans like a game. They verbally back slap each other with sporting analogies when the lie holds firm and when they 'win' or simply hold their position they celebrate and suck up to their superiors. They betray their institutional prejudice for football fans when delighting in an editorial that seemingly puts the blame for the debacle back where it belongs in their eyes (with the fans). They show politics of envy when they chatter about HFTFC and HCAFC, SKY and the FA (sic) making even more money while they bare the costs. It indicates utter contempt for justice Eadys judgement when he sent WYP packing over policing costs at leeds. In the deepest respect to the 96 I would never compare this episode in scale or impact to Hillsborough but it shows that when it comes to the institutional culture of the police and the way they view and treat football fans nothing has changed. The last chief constable of WYP resigned over his treatment of football fans....so what about the new one? Rotten from the very top have they learned nothing? We all now know why they treat us like they do. It's not a matter of their corporate culture being wrong, its not even akin to institutional prejudice, worse it is what they actually believe, they believe that football fans don't count as normal law abiding people. Justice Eady said that football fans should be considered like any other member of the public as....members of the public. 'Football fans do not cease to be members of the public when they attend football' Root and branch change is clearly required for football policing nothing less. Parliamentary committee on football should investigate and end the post code lottery of football policing. And to think they work for us! Name and fame: FSF hull city official who rebutted WYP and fought for us HTFC HT supporters reds away for the FOI Louis the campaigner All the clubs at the protest and who sent messages of support Supporters direct CI / AN / OSC Burnsie Nick Thompson Ash Lord Credit where it's due lord Prescott - on this one he was right lame and fame wooden spoon award Karl turner MP
Agreed 100%. This wasn't just about should we boycott or not. I'm proud that Tigers fans stood up to be counted, protested, boycotted, worked with FSF, HTSA etc and stood up against out of date OTT policing of footy fans . This campaign should continue, its for all fans not just Hull City. It was about freedom to travel to support the team we love.. Police budgets should not affect that and WYP have and will continue to pay the price. Our actions are vindicated. The fight should now drive that message home and I know those named above will do that.
I can thank K Turner for only 1 thing.. He replied to my e mail, and gave me the chance to post it on here, share it with those involved showing what he claimed was .. lets say... wide of the mark!! So he got me involved. That gave me a buzz and a chance to assist.
