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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by DJBlackandamberarmy(No4), Aug 9, 2019.
It is an idea, and whether good or bad it cannot be implemented in an effective way.
VAR should only be used for things that are objective i.e. offsides - if a player has a finger or any other body part offside when he scores then that goal should be disallowed, dead simple, everyone will soon cotton on; anything subjective is clearly open to interpretation, subjective issues i.e. did she dive, or was it a penalty should be left to the referee and his helpers - players suspected of diving should be referred to a Monday morning FA panel,one with ex players involved, who will rule and dispense swingeing penalties for the cheats who blight the game. Job sorted ...
Reason it works in rugby, cricket, tennis etc is they are all objective decisions (was the pass forward, would the ball have hit the stumps etc)
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But the offside thing becomes farcical when they look 2mm offside then admit they cannot accurately pinpoint the exact second the ball was played
Having since this weekends debacle. VAR should be scrapped full stop.
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That's true except offsides aren't objective. Like DJ said, there is a limitation to how accurately VAR can pinpoint the moment the ball was played, and even the offside rule itself isn't objective: it states that the hand and arm are not considered for offsides. Where the arm stops and the shoulder starts is entirely down to the discretion of a human decision, whether that's the referee or a video assistant referee.
This actually happened a few weeks ago. I think it was a goal Sterling scored. Can't remember if it was actually given or not in the end but there was a big debate about whether VAR should have let it stand or not.
I refer the honorable gentleman to reply #86
I love how it went from being relatively fine during the World Cup in Russia to instantly falling off a cliff and becoming total and utter ****.
How many English referees were at the World Cup? How many English referees are operating VAR in the Premier League? Maybe there's a connection.
The difference in Russia was that the referees themselves watched it back on a screen to see whether they'd made a boo boo, whereas in the PL it's some unknown sat in a van somewhere. I think it could work for the betterment of football if the brief was only to overturn clear and obvious **** ups with the ref and his linesman making the call supported by a 4th official. Televise the conversation so people can see and hear the discussion and it'd be a big improvement.
Make it even worse and have the manager have a red flag he can throw to contest a VAR decision like in American Football. More VFM you'd be in the ground for about 4 hours.
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I just watched MOD2 on i player and how that third goal for Arsenal was chalked off by VAR's God only knows. It is making a mockery of the game IMO.
I've also watch back a couple of times Zaha's penalty referral, and I think the ref got it right, he is already on his way down when he is tackled. IMO that should not have been overturned.
Aaah, but was there contact? If there was contact he is entitled to go down.
Premier League referees are meeting today, to review this weeks ****-ups, and see what can be done to improve things.
Whose reffing this meeting and will VAR be involved?
My point was he looks to me as if he is already starting to go down before the contact with the defender.
I thought only Essex girls were entitled to automatically go down at the slightest contact?
Well yeah, but my point was a poor attempt to highlight the bollocks sort of attitude that is inherent in the current game.
My viewpoint is you should only go down if you can't physically stand up due to a tackle. The proplem is, the refs tend to encourage cheating (falling when there is no need) by not penalising challenges through the "playing advantage" system correctly in these instances.