Off Topic UK has done well-by not given free access to gun??

[Bodinki]

Actually for PTSD it is not only under medical supervision many vets have taken to self medication and it works for them, LSD has also been successful in relieving PTSD symptoms to make lives bearable.
Paranoid scizophrenia or just scizophrenia are most likely a result of the conditions already existing, for example, many who don't smoke weed at all get it, in fact the majority of people who get it are not weed smokers I'd imagine, so that would show the possibility that the person had potential for the condition and the weed or other substance abuse is the catalyst and of course when you start smoking is an issue. Starting at 12 years old while the mind is still developing will cause problems, but so will other substances.

I reckon caffine has led to more deaths than weed ever will.

I guess I am not suceptible to scizophrenia because I've smoked for 30 years without anything even remotely being an issue bar my lungs

scizophrenia sounds "dangerous" the truth is the vast majority of people who have it are no danger, it's only the people who are already nuts that are dangerous before they experienced scizophrenia.

If Mr Roof been born in New York, wasn't surrounded by racists and he enjoyed live without hate, I seriously doubt he's have gone on a rampage, smoking weed or not.

Some people are not meant to smoke it, their minds cannot handle it, lets not blame the weed.

Whilst I will be the first to say the negative effects of cannabis are sometimes overstated or overblown, there is no saying how much smarter you would be or what you would have achieved if you hadn't spent the last 30 years smoking weed.
We all know you are a bit of a thicko on here, you may have been smart and opted to support Everton if you hadn't smoked weed

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Whilst I will be the first to say the negative effects of cannabis are sometimes overstated or overblown, there is no saying how much smarter you would be or what you would have achieved if you hadn't spent the last 30 years smoking weed.
We all know you are a bit of a thicko on here, you may have been smart and opted to support Everton if you hadn't smoked weed

Obviously it's all about how much you smoke you dope I've worked in IT a long time, learned programming languages on my own time.
I couldn't do that job if I was forgetful and made mistakes.
I will say this, when studying Java programming, I had on occasion hit a problem with my code, and been stuck for 4 to 5 hours thinking about the problem with no joy.. smoke a doob and boom, the answer comes to me It's such a complicated thing the mind and how it all works. Weed can be a creative force because you think differntly than you otherwise might.

There were times when I smoked a lot and times, like now where I may have a doob when the kids go to bed, 2 or 3 times a week, it depends.
I can state for a fact that there are three main differences I have noticed over the years between occasional use and heavy smokage over time.
Short term recollection
Train of thought
Articulation.

No one should smoke every day just as any other substance, no coke every day or alcohol meth or anything else.

I don't get paranoid in general, I have once or twice over the years when I smoked some mondo strong **** compared to what I was used to, I don't like being a zombie, just a bit high.

As for paranoid schizophrenia and all other schizophrenia sub-types are. No one really knows what actually causes it. It is a life long illness and stopping smoking weed wont fix it because it doesn't actually cause the symptoms. Research suggests that most forms of schizophrenia are caused by brain dysfunction; we just don't know why that brain dysfunction happens. Most probably, it is caused by a combination of genetics and environmental triggers.

And if I am stupid, god bless most of the rest of you, I am impressed you can tie your shoe laces

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Well in summary I'd re-iterate that I wouldn't ban alcohol or cannibas - we have freedom of choice in our society. I do, however, believe the prevelance of psychotic conditions and/or depression, and the over-prescription of anti-depressants a-la- previous prescriptions to anti-biotics in previous decades has brought us to a point were people are evermore becoming reliant on chronic drug and substance use just to feel 'normal'. There will be a price to pay.

it's a chicken and egg argument about cause and effect - does drug use cause psychosis, or does psychosis lead to to drug dependency? A bit of both? My original point was that if you take a damaged head case like Roof (however he became damaged in the first place), allow them access to mood changing chemical and alcohol, address that with mind-altering drugs such as anti-depressents, and then throw freely-available firearms like a handgun for your ****ing 21st birthday (those parents should be executed too, in my opinion) then you have all the ingredients of an all too familiar 21st century tragedy. And all those ingredients exist in our society too, bar the handguns.

 

[Bodinki]

Obviously it's all about how much you smoke you dope I've worked in IT a long time, learned programming languages on my own time.
I couldn't do that job if I was forgetful and made mistakes.
I will say this, when studying Java programming, I had on occasion hit a problem with my code, and been stuck for 4 to 5 hours thinking about the problem with no joy.. smoke a doob and boom, the answer comes to me It's such a complicated thing the mind and how it all works. Weed can be a creative force because you think differntly than you otherwise might.

There were times when I smoked a lot and times, like now where I may have a doob when the kids go to bed, 2 or 3 times a week, it depends.
I can state for a fact that there are three main differences I have noticed over the years between occasional use and heavy smokage over time.
Short term recollection
Train of thought
Articulation.

No one should smoke every day just as any other substance, no coke every day or alcohol meth or anything else.

I don't get paranoid in general, I have once or twice over the years when I smoked some mondo strong **** compared to what I was used to, I don't like being a zombie, just a bit high.

As for paranoid schizophrenia and all other schizophrenia sub-types are. No one really knows what actually causes it. It is a life long illness and stopping smoking weed wont fix it because it doesn't actually cause the symptoms. Research suggests that most forms of schizophrenia are caused by brain dysfunction; we just don't know why that brain dysfunction happens. Most probably, it is caused by a combination of genetics and environmental triggers.

And if I am stupid, god bless most of the rest of you, I am impressed you can tie your shoe laces

Its odd you say that about programming et all.
I have two HUGELY cannabis dependant friends.
One is a web designer (deals with the code, not the flashy graphical ****) and the other works as a network support technician for EA.

Must be something to do with the profession.

 

[terrifictraore]

Paranoid scizophrenia or just scizophrenia are most likely a result of the conditions already existing, for example, many who don't smoke weed at all get it, in fact the majority of people who get it are not weed smokers I'd imagine,

I might keep that last bit of the sentence as my signature.

Has anyone claimed the weed caused Roof to do any of the things he did or has caused his mental health to deteriorate to such a level?

What I did do was to guess that given the MO of the shooting Roof was likely to be having an acute episode of a long standing problem. It seems upto now that I was wrong with that guess although more may come out as the case develops.
I also said that from what I had seen he was more likely than not to be a cannabis user and that this would not have helped if as i (wrongly) suspected he was suffering from schizophrenia or bipolar.

 

[Peej]

The Shermans need to make the simple correlation between shed loads of ****ing shooters and people getting shot......

The right to bear arms is a crock of ****, but their gun lobby is far too powerful, plus they're too far gone anyway, there's more guns in circulation than there are people ffs.

This gent sums it up perfectly, I love Jim Jefferies

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[Peej]

This is my feeling: we shouldn't be too smug about being so superior to the US. i think we we have most of the same ingredients of the same volatile cocktail you quote, except that our racism is less (though still there), and we don't have guns. I do think that if guns were prevelant here we'd be more inclined to be like the US than Canada or the Swiss.

Again i say, let's not be too superior to the US - our culture is sadly more like their's but without the guns than it is like some countries that do have them but don't have the US's problem. For instance, a decade ago I stayed with my NZ girlfriend's hom in the suburbs of Auckland for 2 months. Only on the last night there did i discover her father had a hunting rifle and an old service pistol in a cupboard in his bedroom (neither of which he'd used for years, evidently). They don't really have problems down there or in Oz either, by all accounts.

**** Off, the Ozzies dont have the issue anymore because they have a ban on guns......

See the post above

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

So much for weed, Roof was scarping down legal prescription meds like Xanax which do far more damage, and Suboxone a narcotix related to sudden outbursts of aggression, which puts any ludicrous blaming of weed into stupid context it belongs in.


Side effects of Xanax which was only 1 type of pill he was popping.

• depressed mood, thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself, unusual risk-taking behavior, decreased inhibitions, no fear of danger;
  
  
• confusion, hyperactivity, agitation, hostility, hallucinations;
  
  
• feeling like you might pass out;
  
  
• urinating less than usual or not at all;
  
  
• chest pain, pounding heartbeats or fluttering in your chest;
  
  
• uncontrolled muscle movements, tremor, seizure (convulsions); or
  
  
• jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes).

Throw in 6 different schools a father never around who had kids with three different women and was violent, some rracist ideology from South Carolina and guns and there you have it.

Nothing to do with weed whatsoever

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

You can't say it was definitely not a factor in how he ended up where he did. Paranoia and disengagement could well have been exacerbated by his use of cannabis and had an overall impact on his mental health.

It doesn't appear to have done me any harm

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Aye in the specific case of this Roof guy I have no idea if cannabis had any effect on it.
Possibly, I suppose.

All I would say to people who diss Cannabis, is how many deaths have there been that have been directly attributed to Cannabis, either via overdose or a person losing their mind and going on a killing spree? 0
Compare it to alcohol, which is legalised almost world wide.
How many people drink themselves to death every day, or get pissed up and get behind the wheel of a car and kill people, or walk on train tracks, or drown in pools cos they are hammered? 10's of thousands every year.

Yet Alcohol = Legal
Cannabis = Illegal
Makes no ****ing sense.

How the **** do you OD on blow?

 

[Bodinki]

How the **** do you OD on blow?

exactly, thats why if you read the whole sentence I said how many people have died of weed overdose = 0.
I have smoked too much a few times, all that happened is I turned green and threw up every where. Only lasts about a half hour

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

It is also inarguable though, that Cannabis also has medicinal effects on people with Physical impairments like Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy, Cancer patients etc.
So it does have its good side.

It helps my arthritis, undoubtedley

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

As does alcohol. There's real health benefits from drinking red wine for instance but as you said earlier it's abuse of any substance that renders the abuser [possibly] a danger to themselves and to others.

According to that recent edition of horizon, red wine has NO positive overall positive effect on well-being.

 

[Bodinki]

It helps my arthritis, undoibtedley

I have FSHD Muscular Dystrophy, and it indeed helped.
While I no longer smoke it, my dad (who also had it) smoked it a lot, and it helped him a great deal in later life.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

I have FSHD Muscular Dystrophy, and it indeed helped.
While I no longer smoke it, my dad (who also had it) smoked it a lot, and it helped him a great deal in later life.

You've mentioned that before, Bod. Nasty ****.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

According to that recent edition of horizon, red wine has NO positive overall positive effect on well-being.

I don't drink it but was informed that resveratrol, a compound found in red wine, has health benefits and has potential as a therapy for diabetes, Alzheimer's and heart disease. As with most of these medical studies, what one finds as beneficial, another will find has no benefits ! One thing's for sure though, too much is bad for you.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

I don't drink it but was informed that resveratrol, a compound found in red wine, has health benefits and has potential as a therapy for diabetes, Alzheimer's and heart disease. As with most of these medical studies, what one finds as beneficial, another will find has no benefits ! One thing's for sure though, too much is bad for you.

The positive effects are countered by the negative ones - in any quantity, apparently.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

The positive effects are countered by the negative ones - in any quantity, apparently.

Resveratrol is an antioxidant, good in small measures, not so good in large measures [antioxidants in general].

 

[terrifictraore]

So much for weed, Roof was scarping down legal prescription meds like Xanax which do far more damage, and Suboxone a narcotix related to sudden outbursts of aggression, which puts any ludicrous blaming of weed into stupid context it belongs in.
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Nothing to do with weed whatsoever

Has anybody actually blamed what he did on him smoking weed?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Has anybody actually blamed what he did on him smoking weed?

Think he means me. i did no such thing - I said he had chronic drug dependency issues, including cannibas. Chronic use of/dependency on cannibas has proven medical connotations of paranoia, depression and various other mental health issues. I also stated that I smoked myself (very occasionally) up till about twenty years ago, and that i wasn't advocating banning it (or alcohol).

Really don't know how anyone can try defend chronic drug and/or alcohol use as having no effect upon health in general, and mental health in particular. Especially when combined to prolonged use with anti-depressants and illegal drugs as well. I'm reminded that 300 years ago they use to perscribe tobacco for respiration disorders, and this time last century people used to bathe in radium and use it as a skin cream. Sure many of them swore it was a s good as vitamins too.