Off Topic UK has done well-by not given free access to gun??

[Diego]

Think he means me. i did no such thing - I said he had chronic drug dependency issues, including cannibas. Chronic use of/dependency on cannibas has proven medical connotations of paranoia, depression and various other mental health issues. I also stated that I smoked myself (very occasionally) up till about twenty years ago, and that i wasn't advocating banning it (or alcohol).

Really don't know how anyone can try defend chronic drug and/or alcohol use as having no effect upon health in general, and mental health in particular. Especially when combined to prolonged use with anti-depressants and illegal drugs as well. I'm reminded that 300 years ago they use to perscribe tobacco for respiration disorders, and this time last century people used to bathe in radium and use it as a skin cream. Sure many of them swore it was a s good as vitamins too.

It`s easy, most dependants will claim any drug has no bearing on their health in any way

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

It`s easy, most dependants will claim any drug has no bearing on their health in any way

Now be honest that is just a ridiculous, vastly sweeping generalisation. It's actually not easy, which shows your lack of understanding on the subject.

Everything you consume regularly, everything, has a health impact one way or the other.
Do smokers deny the impacts being dependent on nicotine?
Do junkies with their bodies falling apart deny it's the heroine?

I could go on, just ludicrous Diego.


This concerned weed causing him go become a psychotic murder, it just cannot be so, there is not one case in history where weed turned someone into a crazed murderer.

No doubt someone who takes narcotic meds does in fact realise they have health impacts but they are addicted and will continue to come up with reasons they need it, but they do not deny the health impacts quite often I'd imagine. What you said, is complete cack, nonsense, ignorant tripe tbh.

Roof is a child, mentally underdeveloped due to his ****ty life, throw in racist ideology and drugs, especially Xanax and Suboxone without any medical supervision, that he was popping like smarties, and a whole ****pile of anger and this is what happened.

Roof's anger is the source of this, the racist ideology the reason and the narcotic mind altering meds the facilitator for the actual act.

Roof spoke to the church goers for a while, said he would "leave one alive to spread the story", and was even quoted as saying "i nearly didn't go through with it because the people(in the church) were so nice".

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Think he means me. i did no such thing - I said he had chronic drug dependency issues, including cannibas. Chronic use of/dependency on cannibas has proven medical connotations of paranoia, depression and various other mental health issues. I also stated that I smoked myself (very occasionally) up till about twenty years ago, and that i wasn't advocating banning it (or alcohol).

Really don't know how anyone can try defend chronic drug and/or alcohol use as having no effect upon health in general, and mental health in particular. Especially when combined to prolonged use with anti-depressants and illegal drugs as well. I'm reminded that 300 years ago they use to perscribe tobacco for respiration disorders, and this time last century people used to bathe in radium and use it as a skin cream. Sure many of them swore it was a s good as vitamins too.

No I don't mean you, I think that is called paranoia, you might be smoking too much **** Donga.

Just when I thought you got over your dickishness towards me, here you are again with this crap and "do you want me to start posting links" crap Why can't you be civil you knob?

Why are you and TT talking about me? I replied to neither of you? Little biatches, like a sewing circle, you ****ing old women

Then you paraphrase, no one said anything about drugs and alcohol having no effect. Of course you didn't read my reply to you that debunked your schizophrenia argument so now you paraphrase garbage I never said.

I clearly said this..

No one should smoke every day just as any other substance, no coke every day or alcohol meth or anything else.

TT has been going at me like you, for some time, pair of weirdos. I have no time for Triffic Troare after than creepy stalker PM discussion with him, complete ****in weirdo.

TT is worse though, he says "show me where you proved me wrong" in a previous thread, I supplied the posts and he comes back with "you just like making people feel small" He's been a crack pot stalker ever since.


So if you are gonna reply to me, reply to me, stop talking about me 3rd person like a little bitch and implying **** I never said.

It's so lame how some of you take comfort from agreement with each other [HASHTAG]#consensus[/HASHTAG] is not fact

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

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Has anybody actually blamed what he did on him smoking weed?

It's been mentioned here and in the media, did I quote anyone and reply to it? What has that got to do with the subject, or are you just seeking confrontation as usual due to your weird hardon for me? I'm straight and I don't like weirdos even if I was gay.

 

[terrifictraore]

This concerned weed causing him go become a psychotic murder, it just cannot be so, there is not one case in history where weed turned someone into a crazed murderer.

I will ask again, has anybody claimed this?

 

[terrifictraore]

No I don't mean you, I think that is called paranoia, you might be smoking too much **** Donga.

Just when I thought you got over your dickishness towards me, here you are again with this crap and "do you want me to start posting links" crap Why can't you be civil you knob?

Why are you and TT talking about me? I replied to neither of you? Little biatches, like a sewing circle, you ****ing old women

Then you paraphrase, no one said anything about drugs and alcohol having no effect. Of course you didn't read my reply to you that debunked your schizophrenia argument so now you paraphrase garbage I never said.

I clearly said this..


TT has been going at me like you, for some time, pair of weirdos. I have no time for Triffic Troare after than creepy stalker PM discussion with him, complete ****in weirdo.

Some people just don't like being shown to be wrong, you pair area perfect example of that, that you have to resort to implying things I never said.

TT is worse though, he says "show me where you proved me wrong" in a previous thread, I supplied the posts and he comes back with "you just like making people feel small" He's been a crack pot stalker ever since.


So if you are gonna reply to me, reply to me, stop talking about me 3rd person like a little bitch and implying **** I never said.

It's so lame how some of you take comfort from agreement with each other [HASHTAG]#consensus[/HASHTAG] is not fact

Somebody call the fire brigade, we got a meltdown on our hands!

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I will ask again, has anybody claimed this?

Where on here? does anyone have to claim anything for me to make a statement? What has it got to do with the subject?

This is why you are a bit of a weird ****er. This is about guns and Roof the nutcase, and also about drugs it seems, yet you keep banging on about who I am talking to.

Someone did imply weed causes schizophrenia, which is totally untrue

EDIT: I will say one thing, someone 12 years old smoking weed every day into adulthood, will certainly cause mental problems. Any substance abuse during mental development will have mental developmental effects, but so would environmental factors, like being exposed to racist ideology, violence and a bad home life.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Somebody call the fire brigade, we got a meltdown on our hands!

@Bodanki is right, when people aint got nothing they claim DELTMOWN

 

[terrifictraore]

Where on here? does anyone have to claim anything for me to make a statement? What has it got to do with the subject?

This is why you are a bit of a weird ****er. This is about guns and Roof the nutcase, and also about drugs it seems, yet you keep banging on about who I am talking to.

Someone did imply weed causes schizophrenia, which is totally untrue

No I was replying to you even though you claim to have me on ignore (clearly another lie from you)

The point is you appear to be arguing that weed did not cause him to murder those people as it does not have that effect on people eg

This concerned weed causing him go become a psychotic murder, it just cannot be so, there is not one case in history where weed turned someone into a crazed murderer

So all I was asking is has anybody on here said that it did, no arguments, no claiming ignorance in others, just a nice simple question so I could see what the others where claiming.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

As for the guns, the numbers are in, right wing extremists in the US have killed twice as many people as Muslim extremists. [HASHTAG]#fearmongering[/HASHTAG]

I might keep that last bit of the sentence as my signature.

Has anyone claimed the weed caused Roof to do any of the things he did or has caused his mental health to deteriorate to such a level?

What I did do was to guess that given the MO of the shooting Roof was likely to be having an acute episode of a long standing problem. It seems upto now that I was wrong with that guess although more may come out as the case develops.
I also said that from what I had seen he was more likely than not to be a cannabis user and that this would not have helped if as i (wrongly) suspected he was suffering from schizophrenia or bipolar.

Yes make that your sig, an error in a sentence

Secondly yes we cannot know it if helped or not, that was my point. I never said it was beneficial. I am saying the other drugs he took, which were not prescribed by a doctor, and was popping them at will, have the sort of side effects that would allow him to carry out his plan, Xanax can make one fearless in a way, and that may have enabled him carry out this crime. He obviously lost touch with reality, I think that we can all agree on.

he obviously wasn't afraid of the consequences. He even talked to the church congregation for nearly an hour.before shooting people

 

[johnsonsbaby]

It`s easy, most dependants will claim any drug has no bearing on their health in any way

I think there's an element of truth in this - also the 'I can give it up any time I want to' line. Some people who have a couple of glasses of wine as soon as they get in from work, don't realise they are [maybe] dependent because it's a habit they've never tried to break.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Where on here? does anyone have to claim anything for me to make a statement? What has it got to do with the subject?

This is why you are a bit of a weird ****er. This is about guns and Roof the nutcase, and also about drugs it seems, yet you keep banging on about who I am talking to.

Someone did imply weed causes schizophrenia, which is totally untrue

EDIT: I will say one thing, someone 12 years old smoking weed every day into adulthood, will certainly cause mental problems. Any substance abuse during mental development will have mental developmental effects, but so would environmental factors, like being exposed to racist ideology, violence and a bad home life.

tbf mate, it was just a simple question, I didn't see any hidden accusations in there

Maybe you're high on adrenaline with our new signing -

 

[Bodinki]

Whats going on Sisu, I kinda agree with your general point, but you are being a tad overly defensive here?
And whats with your new sig? Its quite frankly one of the most ill informed and ****ed up things I have ever seen on the internet.
And the Internet is very ****ed up.

EDIT: Oh you got rid of it Cool

 

[Bodinki]

@Bodanki is right, when people aint got nothing they claim DELTMOWN

Indeed.
Being defensive does not equal meltdown.I have only ever seen a 2 meltdowns on here.
One was Matth, the other was PISKIE.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

tbf mate, it was just a simple question, I didn't see any hidden accusations in there

Maybe you're high on adrenaline with our new signing -

Not at all, when you consider the history of posts between myself and that member it takes on a different context altogether. He likes to talk about me for some reason, rather than the topic. If the statement was actually a reply to a post I can agree but it wasn't


But in general you would be correct but it wasn't just a simple question The topic is much more interesting than analysing why I post something instead of what I am posting.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I think there's an element of truth in this - also the 'I can give it up any time I want to' line. Some people who have a couple of glasses of wine as soon as they get in from work, don't realise they are [maybe] dependent because it's a habit they've never tried to break.

Of course there is some truth, denial is part of addiction. "Most dependents" covers a huge demographic. I'd say most admit the health factors, that's not where denial kicks in, it's usually the need.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Whats going on Sisu, I kinda agree with your general point, but you are being a tad overly defensive here?
And whats with your new sig? Its quite frankly one of the most ill informed and ****ed up things I have ever seen on the internet.
And the Internet is very ****ed up.

EDIT: Oh you got rid of it Cool

I got rid cos it was too long for a sig.

And do your research before you talk about being ill informed.

By the IPCC's own figures it will cost $60.000 per person on the planet to carry out thier global man made climate dchange plan and it will have no effect on climate whatsoever. They want 2% of global GDP and then there is the green industry that more than half the world cannot afford the tech they produce.

A tesla car is $100k, yet the company gets 4,5bn in tax breaks so the average tax payer is paying for electric cars for the rich

30% of crops to useless biofuel. That caused the food price increases in the mid 2000s and pushed millions into starvation globally.

Then go look up the top 10 investors in Greenn tech, look at the massive subsidies they get. The failure of cap and trade in Europe and the US. Utter failure. The system was totally corrupted. Trading in imaginary carbon credits ffs, what a ****ing con.

Also factual is the money in green tech, that half of Africa and Half of India can never afford, the only thing they can afford is cheap energy, coal. So hundreds of millions must stay wuthout power.

Solar is a joke in its current form ie expense and storage of energy are seriously expensive and it only works during the day, wind farms only work when and where there is wind. Neither of these are viable solutions for the energyless masses. Plus that energy is far more expensive

It is also factual that the wind turbines are made in China in toxic wastelands for the cheapest possibly price, like Boatou. The land around for miles is destroyed ruining agriculture ground water and air. You tell me how that is green? Most of western pollution has been moved to china over the decades and it's the only reason emissions are down in places like the US cos everything is made in China. That's a fact. The world economy needs china which is why they can build coal stations till 2030 not because that is when they must stop, but that is because ecomomists speculate their economy will plateau. So if it doesn't China can and will just keep building more cheap energy because that cheap energy has been a huge boost to the European and US economy.
Anything you use made in China, pollutes China, but ye all just think it's all China's fault.

There would have been no other solution to China and therefore Europe and US energy needs for the products they wanted other than fossil fuel being used in China. Simples.

The only way several hundred million Indians can get out of abject poverty and living conditions is cheap energy, half of india has no juice, and the IPCC plans means they cannot have juice, they must accept poor living conditions and and services, squalor basically, same in Africa.

No cheap energy means higher infant mortality poorer or no medical services sanitation and a standard of living that is like the 1400s, transport, and all manner of **** becomes impossible. But it's OK, the developed world created its wealth on fossil fuels but no one else can?. IPCC planned policies will kill millions over time.

Raising people out of poverty reduces birth rates, proven that the wealthier we get the less we reproduce which is a solution for a future population problem.

Actual empirical data measured the radiation leaving earth and it at elevated rates where AGW says it would decrease because of more clouds from warming, this is scientifically invalid and it has been proven to be wrong.

There is NO media scrutiny and no mention of the hundreds of scientific papers that disagree based on science. They attacks on people are vcious and I can cite many an example. Sure they call people "deniers", actual NASA scientists who initially worked on climate change called deniers, and people like Freeman Dyson who's been in science for 60 years.

Climatology is a religion and the predict thermageddon, like some mayan bullshit, oh in 100 to 1000 years boo here comes CO2, bollocks

But in the end, there is no ****in warming

EDIT : The 97% consensus, yeah that was checked and a paper did on it, it turned out that 60 papers out of 11000 agreed with man being the primary cause of man made global warming, how that equated to 97% is beyond me, it was less than .5%

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Not at all, when you consider the history of posts between myself and that member it takes on a different context altogether. He likes to talk about me for some reason, rather than the topic. If the statement was actually a reply to a post I can agree but it wasn't


But in general you would be correct but it wasn't just a simple question The topic is much more interesting than analysing why I post something instead of what I am posting.

I don't want to come between, I get along with both of you. I just commented on what looked like an innocent question.

On the dependents thing, nobody knows what 'most' think about their use and/or abuse but saying most are in denial is okay if that's your experience. Do you think those not seeking help don't see it as a problem? And that's a genuine question, not an observation of what you've said so far.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Here's another serious question Sisu, have you ever thought about doing an Earth Science degree?

 

[terrifictraore]

He likes to talk about me for some reason, rather than the topic. If the statement was actually a reply to a post I can agree but it wasn't

As i explained earlier. I quoted you and asked you a simple question about the topic you were talking about. Now if you find that sinister then maybe all those years of smoking weed have had more of an affect than you would like to admit.