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  1. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure club will be keeping a short list of potential managers who could come in at all times. KLD and team will not want to be caught blind again in case anything unexpected does happen.

    So this journalist is probably partly right, and this manager might be on the top of a short list. However I do not think the club will be replacing TM at the end of this season, unless their hand is forced by the unexpected
     
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  2. Saf

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    I've said if we don't go up, I'd happily see TM replaced. So I agree, if we go up then he deserves his chance. His record doesn't inspire confidence though and I believe this is him peaking, so I'd not lose sleep over it if we went up and he was replaced.

    Sir Alex Ferguson was a master at recognising when a player had peaked and replacing them at that time because he knew when someone had peaked there was only one way to go.

    As for saying nobody could do a better job than TM, I find that incredible. Out of all the managers in the world, nobody would or could do better than Mowbray? Wow.
     
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  3. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    So if we don't go up, you'll be happy to see him replaced

    But if we do go up, he deserves a chance

    But if we go up, you wouldn't lose any sleep if he was replaced?

    I'm confused as to what you actually would like to happen.

    Also, I believe what was said was nobody better than TM to replace him at the moment. Which I'd agree with. What TM has achieved, his willingness to work with youth players and give them a chance, style of play etc has been brilliant. I don't know of anyone,at the moment, who'd be willing to come to us, for the right price, who has the right management style and same willingness to work with young players. And is also available.
     
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    My view us that if this is true then TM and the players will all know about it as it will have been planned from when he first signed, so it will have no negative impact on the players going forward.
    If it is not true then TM and the players will be having a laugh about it and again it will have no negative impact on the players going forward.
     
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  5. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Nobody else seems to be...
     
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    What I mean is, nobody who would realistically come would be better than TM. If pep guardiola agreed to come then fair enough, but an unknown 34 year old with little experience, imo would be a downgrade.

    Mowbray might not win us the champions league, but he could get us promoted from this division and possibly do a job in the premier league.

    If you’ve been watching our performances this season, combined with a huge injury list and only 1 centre forward fit at the club, and you believe somebody could come in and get more out of these players, i think it’s unrealistic, and unfair on Mowbray that your not recognising the unbelievable job he’s currently doing.

    There hasn’t been a buzz like this at the club in 10-15 years, and you want to gamble on bringing in an unknown, inexperienced coach to somehow make it better. I’d say it’s crazy, but each to their own.

    Also you’re saying he’s peaked at us. But he’s been promoted from this league before, so unless he does that, he’s not peaked.
     
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  7. Daz

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    Aye I always read the thread.

    Nothing to suggest people are panicking to me. People saying its an insult or the timing etc isn't panicking etc, just opinions. It would be different if it had come from the club which as you say it hasn't.

    And as I said earlier in the thread theres no issue in forward planning in my opinion.

    I agree the journalist is one of the more credible ones, mind.
     
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  8. Bob the Mackem

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    Please remember our club model, I don't think TM will be on mega bucks, so replacing him will cost decent money to bring in a foreign manger, but what he has done with this injury hit and young team, is nothing short of magic.
     
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    When we brought Mowbray in the data and analysis said he was the right man because of his record of leaving clubs in a better position than when he arrived, He has proved to be the right man for the job. No one can argue what a great job he's done with the younguns - superb. Has this other guy got that experience behind him?

    The only reason I can think that Sunderland would even consider replacing Mowbray at the moment is if they wanted someone multilingual who could get the message across better to the guys where English their English is weak. However, would that mean they would be less keen to learn English - may not be the right move in the long run.

    Anyway, this did not come from the club, there is no indication that someone else is being lined up. The probability is that TM will laugh it off - he must have seen thousands of false rumours in his time. Would we go for an "up and coming" manager? People assume that's the model because it's what we do with players. Managerial appointments under KLD to me seem to be based on a record not a hope.
     
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  10. dansafcman

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    https://www.sunderlandecho.com/spor...speculation-and-his-sunderland-future-4121874


    Reporter Fabrizio Romano said earlier this week that Farioli, who left Turkish side Alanyaspor earlier this season, was admired by the Black Cats hierarchy.


    The Italian, who formerly worked as a coach for Brighton boss Roberto De Zerbi, has been linked with a number of Championship clubs – including this weekend’s opposition Watford.
    Mowbray said on Thursday afternoon that he was relaxed about the speculation.

    “As you would expect, I got 50 people sending me the same article,” Mowbray said.

    "I'm not sure where it comes from. What I do know about professional clubs, and this could be highlighted by a Chelsea or a Tottenham at the moment, if clubs don't have succession plans, maybe they get ridiculed somewhere along the line


    “It didn't really unnerve me. I've been in football a long time and I sit here pretty relaxed about how I managed clubs and teams and what we can do. I haven't really had conversations about that situation but I was made aware of it by a lot of people who do go on social media.

    “I don't know the answer, it's not my domain, but it hasn't unnerved me. I'm really energised, I really enjoy working with this team and players. That's why I'd like to finish the season strong and whatever the summer brings, if the club has other ideas, then that's their prerogative, that's fine

    “I also heard somebody had written somewhere about me thinking of retiring. It makes me laugh. I get up before six o clock every morning and love that drive down the A19 because I know I'm going to work with some amazing young footballers who want to try and get better. And the people I meet from this city have all been really positive. We've had some days where things haven't gone our way but the fans have been really supportive.
    “A strange scenario but it's not in my control and I'm not the person you should be asking.

    “It's not going to be my decision,” he added.

    "I've been asked by others and there's not a lot I can say.
    I really feel and appreciate the warmth I've had from supporters I've met. I don't know what the summer will bring at this moment, the best-case scenario is that we win five games and get into the Premier League and how exciting would that be. Or we finish midtable because we can't get those wins, and we'll wait and see what happens.

    “It's been a really enjoyable time for me, you want to manage huge clubs and this is one of those. It's an amazing place to work, to come in every day, and I'm fully energised every single day to come in for the next challenge. Hopefully we win a couple of games and that next challenge is the play-offs.

    “I would love to stay, but it's not my decision.”

    Mowbray’s contract at the club runs until the end of next season.
     
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  11. cumbrianmackem

    cumbrianmackem Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't expect TM to say anything different.
    He's a genuine bloke giving it his best go with some very clever young footballers.
    I personally think this is one step up from Quinny's magic carpet ride.
    Can't wait to see where it takes us.
     
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  12. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    Although TM dismissed this as " Not something that bothers me"...looking at him in the press conference fielding the question, I would suggest it does bother him. He looked uncomfortable and quite embarrassed. His comment about the club might have other ideas in the summer is not good to hear. I would have thought the publicity this story has had, either Speakman or KLD would have said something to Mowbray...the guy genuinely looks in the dark over this.
     
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  13. Nacho

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    Yeah I would have preferred a breezy laughing it off as ridiculous but it seems like there's something in it. I hope not I want us to stick with Mowbray until such a time that it's not working out. At the moment it very much is working and I don't see that changing any time soon.
     
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    MOWBRAY ON FARIOLI

    Tony Mowbray has responded to press speculation linking Francesco Farioli to the/his Sunderland job…

    SEEN IT
    “As you would expect, I got 50 people sending me the same article. I'm not sure where it comes from. What I do know about professional clubs, and this could be highlighted by a Chelsea or a Tottenham at the moment, if clubs don't have succession plans, maybe they get ridiculed somewhere along the line. It didn't really unnerve me. I've been in football a long time and I sit here pretty relaxed about how I managed clubs and teams and what we can do. I haven't really had conversations about that situation but I was made aware of it by a lot of people who do go on social media.”

    NOT MY DOMAIN
    “I don't know the answer, it's not my domain, but it hasn't unnerved me. I'm really energised, I really enjoy working with this team and players. That's why I'd like to finish the season strong and whatever the summer brings, if the club has other ideas, then that's their prerogative, that's fine. I also heard somebody had written somewhere about me thinking of retiring. It makes me laugh. I get up before six o clock every morning and love that drive down the A19 because I know I'm going to work with some amazing young footballers who want to try and get better. And the people I meet from this city have all been really positive. We've had some days where things haven't gone our way but the fans have been really supportive.”

    NOT IN MY CONTROL
    “A strange scenario but it's not in my control and I'm not the person you should be asking. It's not going to be my decision. I've been asked by others and there's not a lot I can say. I really feel and appreciate the warmth I've had from supporters I've met. I don't know what the summer will bring at this moment, the best-case scenario is that we win five games and get into the Premier League and how exciting would that be. Or we finish midtable because we can't get those wins, and we'll wait and see what happens.”

    MANAGE HUGE CLUBS
    “It's been a really enjoyable time for me, you want to manage huge clubs and this is one of those. It's an amazing place to work, to come in every day, and I'm fully energised every single day to come in for the next challenge. Hopefully we win a couple of games and that next challenge is the play-offs. I would love to stay, but it's not my decision.”
     
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    After what he’s done for us, if it’s true I would be f ucking raging.
     
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    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    The fact hes had to respond to this and have people texting him is a complete outrage tbf.
     
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    Some lads on here think it’s all tickety boo.
     
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  18. Bob the Mackem

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    its all a load of bollocks
     
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  19. Nads

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    If anyone but Mowbray is gaffer next season it’s a shambles.

    Simple as that.
     
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    https://totalfootballanalysis.com/h...-alanyaspor-2022-23-tactical-analysis-tactics

    Not saying I believe it, but he would definitely be on a shortlist from what I've read.

    He's very progressive and aggressive in terms of tactics and strategy which I imagine Speakman and Harvey love. His team's play very attacking football and score a lot of goals which fans would love. He's incredibly highly thought of by the fans and owners of his former club.

    Football is cyclical and styles come in to fashion as a counter balance to something else. We've seen the rise and evolution of Tiki-Taka and Gegenpressing in the last 15 years. We've seen disciples of Bielsa be flavour of the month and recently drop out of fashion.

    Now we have De Zerbi. A manager who's tactics appear to be a fusion of all 3. Very high counter pressing, lots of recycling the ball and maintaining possession and then attacking with ruthlessness and reckless abandon. It's thrilling to watch and he seems to be the real deal.

    It seems to be the next adaptation in football tactics and some progressive club will hire this guy very soon based on his similar approach, his youth, attention to detail and background.
     
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