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I know what you're saying, but the names you mention were just as much a shambles as Pardew. We don't need a manager capable of getting us out of trouble, we need a manager capable of keeping us In the top 8. Let's face it, its where we should be.

We have a team that includes cabaye, sissoko, Ben arfa, collo, Tiote, Yanga, Debuchy...these are, or should be top players but don't have a clue because our management are so inept.

Bring in someone like AVB for gods sake. What has Pardew ever done after having a good first season then buckling in the second?

By the way, I thought we were bang on against Benfica on Thursday..but today was unforgivable

 

I'd be quite happy if I never saw or heard of Pardew again.

Total shambles and he didn't seem to feel a thing, he's far too full of himself and didn't seem to feel any pain at all in getting beat 3-0 at home by our biggest rivals.

 

Think I'm in a minority of one tonight. Think it might be an idea to keep my head down and go and hide for a bit!!

 

Had to be said.

 

Lads aint read the above comments and i feel it's an snap judgement.

My feeling for a good while has been that Pardew is tactically inept. This game isn't the tipping point for me i just feel it says a lot about our team this season. For me we have struggled to contend with both europe and the league as am sure everyone will agree.

Today for me was a bit of a tipping point i dont mind if we are gunning for survival going, etc or what. Whatever mentality Pardew sent them out wit day was simply unacceptable. As much as i slate Pardew and other do, at least Di Canio got them up for it which is what we needed.

No fight about us at at all as ashamed as i am they deserved to beat us and I am absolutly gutted.

 

I know i've sort of repaeted myself above but i'm annoyed

 

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Yes Sunderland have made a big mistake !!!!!!!

 

We weren't that great last season lads. Lucky with injuries, yes - getting points by winning by the odd goal, yes. But we rarely outclassed anybody ...

This season a lack of investment before January, and a whole season of regular or long term injuries has knacked our first 11. And the players in the wings have been a total disappointment.

Having said all of that, I don't think Pardew will ever get us a side that will really do much. He's too cautious and often does what Allardyce used to do - we start attacking when we're getting beat.

It's a bad day, but it is not that different to the whole of this pee poor season.

 

Happy with Pards, not all his fault yesterday. Wasn't his best day but knee jerking into slamming him for it is just embarrassing. Just got to take it on the chin, pull together and move on. Patience is required from fans, its still early days in his reign.

 

It's nice you feel the need to be so embarrassed for us having an opinion that differs from yours pouchy, but personally I think it's pathetic to persist with such lame excuses to back him after that display . I hold absolutely no embarrassment for wanting a change. Yesterday wasn't the tipping point, it's just the absolute underlining of the fact his tactics have a sell-by, and unfortunately he's been "off" for a while now.

If there's someone better, with brighter ideas about football and more credentials when bringing through youth, then why should we be content with stinky Pardew? Because you think we need consistency? Well we clearly aren't getting that with him. 5th one year, maybe down the next! Still playing direct rubbish though, just not defending well. If we want consistency, why not under a manager who'll hone a better philosophy? It would certainly be easier to take the failures if we knew there was a worthy end-goal. With Pardew his end-goal is clearly the next game, and he's not been in anyway successful.

If Gourcuff or Van Basten wanted the job, then I think definitely Pardew needs to go. The way they play is fantastic, and I think they'd compliment our players and push us on, especially the younger players. Sacking Pardew for any of the same old washed up faces is a waste of time and effort, and they'll inevitably have little more idea than Pardew.

 

I've been saying Pardew should be replaced since November. I just get slated, so what's the point?

I actually think he knows how to read a game, but it's what he does to rectify changes in a game that is his downfall. He makes the same changes irrelevant of the pattern of play.

Need a goal? Bring Shola on. Hoof it.

Doesn't work? Bring HBA or Marv on.

Doesn't work? Sheeeeiite.... maybe a bit of Ben Arfa magic or a last minute goal will materialise.


1-0 up after an hour?

Better bring Perch on. Steady the ship.


He's negative beyond belief. That Reading home game I will never forgive him for.

 

Gandalf above is spot on.

I'd expect that for such an experienced wizard.


What is the point of continuity if he's breeding the wrong philosophy at the club? There needs to be a style of play that is not so antiquated, which is taught through every level of the club.

Not this hoofball rubbish we're served up when we run out of ideas.

Why sign all of the technical players we have and then not play in a way which compliments them?

Vurnon Anita.... as technically gifted a player as we have. DOES NOT SUIT OUR SYSTEM AT ALL.

 

Thanks!

I absolutely agree regarding his transfer policy. It's one of the biggest pit-falls at the club.

Now, I don't think we've signed bad players, far from it, but we haven't signed players that will fit into the turgid system that Pardew wants to be successful with. I have my doubts about how much genuine input Alan has in who we buy, so I think this is more a lack of communication throughout the club, rather than specifically Pardew's problem. The owners and scouts clearly are pulling in a different direction, so I think it's rational that people aren't in favour of Alan staying on.

I believe we sign players that Pardew can't get the best out of. If you look at our best spell last year, our defence were rigid and offered little, but were capable at their primary job. That was ok, because it fits Alan's boring system. Then what happened? We now have Santon, Mbiwa and Debuchy, the three most attacking defenders in the league, and defensively a bit suspect. That definitely doesn't suit Alan's play, and we've struggled so badly to incorporate them within our play that it's cost us.

Anita was part of a horrible little run as well. Very capable player, but we had Tiote, Cabaye and him in the middle, and then played long-ball? What kind of genius plays long-ball with the smallest midfield in the premier league? No wonder we lost to West Ham etc.

I've seen Pardew at least try to adapt his formation and style, but it's not working and he's floundered, so why not get in a manager who can make the best of the players we are clearly looking to sign? It's ridiculous not to surely?

I would say, however, that if Alan does have some measure of control in who he signs, considering the above, he's vastly worse than the passable and at times good manager I thought he was.

 

Think you are misintepreting my comments. I get it though, everyone is a bit raw after yesterday. I was not in anyway clubbing everyone together under one banner as you suggest. I'm merely talking about the ones who are going off on one based on one result. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I won't change mine. Stability and patience is required. We just see things differently. I don't believe if all we are going to give every manager is two and half years and no chance to learn from mistakes, we'll get anywhere. Simple as that really.

He was manager of the year for a reason and even the most critical among us would struggle to argue that he was not superb. I don't believe that changes over night, as it didn't with Moyes, SAF or countless others when they had poor seasons a couple of seasons into their reign. The exact same comments were being thrown at them "tactically inept", "football is ****e", "no consistency" and so on.

Each to their own as I say but those saying you have to sack someone based on a derby result, are indeed embarrassing.

 

It would be lovely to have a manager who is committed to successful, attacking football and who will utilize our good players effectively. I guess it comes down to what is more important to Ashley - having a good team playing an exhilarating brand of football, or having a manager who is sympathetic to a buy cheap sell high philosophy.

 

Not just the derby result, we've been dire on more than one occassion. I've seen every game and going back to Brighton in the cup game in January the guys looked like they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing and a couple of weeks later we got turned over by Reading at our place.

We were pathetic against Wigan and may as well not have turned up at Man City.

Much more than just one game to be concerned about.

 

Not just the derby result, we've been dire on more than one occassion. I've seen every game and going back to Brighton in the cup game in January the guys looked like they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing and a couple of weeks later we got turned over by Reading at our place.

We were pathetic against Wigan and may as well not have turned up at Man City.

Much more than just one game to be concerned about.

 

My problem with the manager is that he seems to lack an identity, something that makes his side stand out or play a certain way. I don't think you can include "hoof-ball" or "stout defending" as tactical nous. Our gameplan seems to often be an kit-car mish-mash of other people's ideas and tactics. It rarely makes complete sense - for example, why did we revert to hoof-ball so quickly vs Sunderland? That's all Shola brings. Well, that and the wrong studs pretty much every game. The problems that ensued in doing so meant Sissoko was on the left, the middle was even more exposed and so we lacked pace in critical areas and balance overall. What is extra confusing is that the tactic - the message - remained the same; go down the wings. If it's hard to understand as a fan/viewer, how can it be straightforward for the player?

A lot of our good play this season has been on an individual level - Marv has contributed, as has Cabaye, Cisse and Sissoko. But it's not like we turn up and you have a fair idea of what you're going to get, be it counter-attacking football, late runs from midfield and so on. I think it's down to the manager. I think we play 4-4-1-1 at best, 4-4-2 at worst. I don't think our management knows how to truly turn us towards 4-3-3 or any modern tactic. And that, for me, is a problem that isn't going away anytime soon.

 

My opinion of Pardew would go up significantly if, one day, when they went into training they tried out a few corners...