Nottingham........

[Jiffie]

This isn't even relevant to the point. It's not really that different to what's happening between Burnham and Boris right now anyway.



What, and we're not now? We're an absolute joke right now.

There are all sorts that would have been wrong with those lot in charge. I certainly wouldn't want that sort of government. But you know what, being more left, they are probably more likely to have locked down far earlier and saved lots of lives. They probably wouldn't have wasted £12 BILLION on an app that doesn't work. So much for the party that is 'good for the economy'.

The problem which I'm trying to demonstrate, and which you've done for me in the previous posts, is that you will go to great lengths to defend this government, but you won't apply that same outlook to the other sides. You're biased more so than most on here.

And to make it clear, I think Abbott is rubbish and Corbyn is useless. I'm just trying to demonstrate to you that maybe a few posters on here aren't necessarily the most objective. And I'll hold my hands up and admit, I was arguably the same in the BLM thread. But at least I recognise that.

If you need a snapshot into how labour would have dealt with covid take a look at the shambles in Wales.

As for your comment about the app, as usual you enter the realms of mystic Meg, you could not possibly know that. But for the record the last time they were in charge they wasted £26 BILLION on an IT system for the NHS that never worked.

 

[BCFCRob]

And yet where in the UK is performing worst of all in it's covid response? Wales, and who makes the covid decisions in Wales?, labour and where is the 2nd worst performing area?, Scotland, and who makes the covid decisions in Scotland?, the SNP and of course our friend Sadiq Khan hasn't covered himself in glory either.

The bottom line is we are dancing in the dark, we have never dealt with anything like this ever in the modern world, the 'experts' seem to make it up on a daily basis and seem to contradict themselves also on a daily basis. The government is damned if they follow the 'experts' as not being strong enough and damned if they ignore the 'experts' as being reckless.

And dear Keir wants a new lockdown but ordered his MP's to abstain from voting for it.

Actually in cases per capita, England still performs worse than Wales and Scotland, and a very good test is that which shows Northern Ireland performing far worse than Ireland, which shows the difference in government response. As mentioned before, it's nuanced, it's not a direct comparison and that's totally fair, but it's also fair to say that overall the country is performing poorly. And it's extremely fair to say that the economy is performing even worse.

But once again I have to say the same to you, you would never in a million years be this lenient to a Labour government, and you know it.

 

[BCFCRob]

If you need a snapshot into how labour would have dealt with covid take a look at the shambles in Wales.

As for your comment about the app, as usual you enter the realms of mystic Meg, you could not possibly know that. But for the record the last time they were in charge they wasted £26 BILLION on an IT system for the NHS that never worked.

Wales' numbers are better than ours.

If we're playing the game of which government wasted the most amount of money, wait until you hear about Brexit.

 

[Jiffie]

Wales' numbers are better than ours.

If we're playing the game of which government wasted the most amount of money, wait until you hear about Brexit.

Well there is a great irony about Brexit, the official labour leadership line was not to share platforms with tory remainers and on the night of the brexit vote in excess of 60% of labours voters were unclear about labours position and then of course labours northern red wall fell because of labours stance throughout the process post brexit vote.

 

[BCFCRob]

Well there is a great irony about Brexit, the official labour leadership line was not to share platforms with tory remainers and on the night of the brexit vote in excess of 60% of labours voters were unclear about labours position and then of course labours northern red wall fell because of labours stance throughout the process post brexit vote.

Not to be rude, but I don't really care to be honest Jiffie. I was using them to prove a point, not to debate who was best. I'm not here to defend Labour to the hilt, I don't care for them, it was merely to prove a point.

 

[Redprintt]

Rob.
'you know what, being more left, they are probably more likely to have locked down far earlier and saved lots of lives. They probably wouldn't have wasted £12 BILLION on an app that doesn't work'.

If Corbyn and Co had been in power there wouldn't have been any money to 'waste'.
We'd have been bankrupt.

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

Well, I’m off to the sun tomorrow - 1 week in Arroyo, 1 week in Gibraltar and then 1 week self-isolation on return.
Hopefully it’ll all have blown over when I get back (yeah right)!!

 

[BCFCRob]

Rob.
'you know what, being more left, they are probably more likely to have locked down far earlier and saved lots of lives. They probably wouldn't have wasted £12 BILLION on an app that doesn't work'.

If Corbyn and Co had been in power there wouldn't have been any money to 'waste'.
We'd have been bankrupt.

That may be the case, but I didn't intend to sidetrack the conversation like that anyways. As I said, it was to prove a point. We may well have been bankrupt, but as it stands, our economy is tanking more than any other established nation in Europe. Either way, neither was a good choice. But I'm the only one applying that to both sides, you lot are only capable of applying it to the left.

 

[Redprintt]

Come on Rob, that's disingenuous at best.
I started threads 'Up till now' and 'Moonshine'.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

This isn't even relevant to the point. It's not really that different to what's happening between Burnham and Boris right now anyway.

Oh I thought you said other Countries were handling this crisis so much better than us...mmmm my mistake!

What, and we're not now? We're an absolute joke right now.

There are all sorts that would have been wrong with those lot in charge. I certainly wouldn't want that sort of government. But you know what, being more left, they are probably more likely to have locked down far earlier (Cost more jobs, livelihoods, even more debt to the Country) and saved lots of lives. They probably wouldn't have wasted £12 BILLION on an app that doesn't work. So much for the party that is 'good for the economy'.

The problem which I'm trying to demonstrate, and which you've done for me in the previous posts, is that you will go to great lengths to defend this government, but you won't apply that same outlook to the other sides. You're biased more so than most on here.

And to make it clear, I think Abbott is rubbish and Corbyn is useless. I'm just trying to demonstrate to you that maybe a few posters on here aren't necessarily the most objective. And I'll hold my hands up and admit, I was arguably the same in the BLM thread. But at least I recognise that.

Again, it's you that used Corbyn & Abbott as alternatives not me.......Again I say I DON'T think that any of the other parties would have done any better in this even though this government has made mistakes.........Straight forward opinion and doesn't have to be read as biased....but that's up to you how you interpret my comments.....I personally think you are totally biased against the government whatever action they took.

Rob, Please be honest...which party would in your opinion have done a much better job? For lives and the economy? Whatever your answer, please explain why..... ideally with historic proof!!

As I've previously said I'm not convinced with the death figures being scattered about....What would be more convincing............did they die WITH covid or OF covid?..

 

[realred1952]

Well, I’m off to the sun tomorrow - 1 week in Arroyo, 1 week in Gibraltar and then 1 week self-isolation on return.
Hopefully it’ll all have blown over when I get back (yeah right)!!

that's should you be let back!!!!! ..why 7 days? …. not 14¬!

 

[realred1952]

the world debt in 1 year from now will be in excess of 2000 £tr … this pandemic will take a generation to pay off …..

 

[Jiffie]

Not to be rude, but I don't really care to be honest Jiffie. I was using them to prove a point, not to debate who was best. I'm not here to defend Labour to the hilt, I don't care for them, it was merely to prove a point.

What point is that exactly? I must have missed that.

 

[realred1952]

Not to be rude, but I don't really care to be honest Jiffie. I was using them to prove a point, not to debate who was best. I'm not here to defend Labour to the hilt, I don't care for them, it was merely to prove a point.

point taken but not sure it would pan out any better or worse.

 

[realred1952]

If we're playing the game of which government wasted the most amount of money, wait until you hear about Brexit. laugh

There is 2 parties that govern post war UK … LABOUR SPENDS AND BORROWS... Tories then have to pick up the pieces set the budget straight … and prepare for a period of "plenty" They did that up until dec 2019 ….then covid comes along ...worse than labour at screwing up our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

that's should you be let back!!!!! ..why 7 days? …. not 14¬!

Because the time in Gib is deducted from the quarantine period

 

[Redprintt]

So Andy Burnham is holding out again going into tier 3.
He may well have concerns but to delay is incredibly dangerous with the cases doubling every week.
All he's doing is fueling unrest.
Implement Tier 3 now and argue after, you can't gamble with peoples lives.

 

[RedorDead]

If you need a snapshot into how labour would have dealt with covid take a look at the shambles in Wales.

As for your comment about the app, as usual you enter the realms of mystic Meg, you could not possibly know that. But for the record the last time they were in charge they wasted £26 BILLION on an IT system for the NHS that never worked.

What shambles in Wales? The criticism maybe over here we was a bit late in face mask. But we didn’t rush out out of the last lockdown like you lot.
Per person per population we are a lot better than England.

 

[realred1952]

What shambles in Wales? The criticism maybe over here we was a bit late in face mask. But we didn’t rush out out of the last lockdown like you lot.
Per person per population we are a lot better than England.

agree not a shambles by a long chalk, although the population as opposed to the government more at fault. It doesn't matter how you look at it Bank holiday weekend was the start, you cant blame the schools or the Uni's as they were a week and 2 weeks respectively in going back with a period of 4 days to 14 days to be affected fits the slot perfectly!
wouldn't say a lot better than ENGLAND but have dense compact areas of population that do not help especially when SD is not practiced!

 

[realred1952]

So Andy Burnham is holding out again going into tier 3.
He may well have concerns but to delay is incredibly dangerous with the cases doubling every week.
All he's doing is fueling unrest.
Implement Tier 3 now and argue after, you can't gamble with peoples lives.

Andy Burnham is up for election soon, is also a strong anti TORY, so does not like being told by them what to do. He should reflect on the raves, house parties and resentment of certain parts of the population who flaunted SD … state the truth tell Mancunians "you brought this on yourselves "