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Patches O'Houlihan said:
Are you saying there shouldn't have been a vote? Are you saying Hull City Council should annex parts of the East Riding without the consent of the people? The vote had a 75% turnout with over 96% voting against the proposal. That's democracy. Maybe the people of the East Riding don't want a council that overspends £4.5 million.

"Democracy is about having your say, but not necessarily getting your way."
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Neither HCC nor ERYC can change the boundary. The secretary of state does that, and he'd set the Boundary Commission the task of finding if it's best for the region.

HCC didn't actually propose a boundary change, so all in all ERYC wasted money on an election that couldn't prevent something that wasn't going to happen anyway. <laugh>
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Neither HCC nor ERYC ca change the boundary. The secretary of state does that, and he'd set the Boundary Commission the task of finding if it's best for the region.

HCC did't actually propose a boundary change, so all in all ERYC wasted money on an election that couldn't prevent something that wasn't going to happen anyway. <laugh>
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I agree with all that but what it does show is just how **** HCC are perceived. With good reason.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
I agree with all that but what it does show is just how **** HCC are perceived. With good reason.
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Hardly, a lot of the **** laid at HCC's door tends not to be their responsibility. ERYC are good at Government returns, but service delivery's poor.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Neither HCC nor ERYC can change the boundary. The secretary of state does that, and he'd set the Boundary Commission the task of finding if it's best for the region.

HCC didn't actually propose a boundary change, so all in all ERYC wasted money on an election that couldn't prevent something that wasn't going to happen anyway. <laugh>
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You see it that way, but I see it as an overwhelming vote of confidence by the people of the East Riding, and that they want **** all to do with Hull or our council. I strongly agree with them on the latter. I love Hull and East Yorkshire, but HCC are terrible.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Hardly, a lot of the **** laid at HCC's door tends not to be their responsibility. ERYC are good at Government returns, but service delivery's poor.
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So for the last god knows how many years, apart from a few Lib years, in their area of responsibility they've done a cracking job? Ok.
 
merchantman5:7133350 said:
billywoofsdog said:
Err...what evidence are you using for that completely incorrect statement? Use any measure you care to use, Hull schools lag far behing ER schools . Gcse rates, levels of progress, value added data etc etc.
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So name one school in the East Riding that is now part of a national group that is been used to teach the teachers of tomorrow. It was only a week or two that Sirius Acadamy was in the HDM as been one of those schools. You don't get in that group by been a crap school.
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That just meant they have become a teaching school, just like South Hunsley or Molescroft Primary. Many schools take trainees from PGCE courses or School Direct programmes. Sirius is just better at shouting about what they do. There are plenty doing it
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Hardly, a lot of the **** laid at HCC's door tends not to be their responsibility. ERYC are good at Government returns, but service delivery's poor.
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Whose responsibility is it to overspend £4.5 million of our money? By "our" I mean Hull taxpayers.
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
You see it that way, but I see it as an overwhelming vote of confidence by the people of the East Riding, and that they want **** all to do with Hull or our council. I strongly agree with them on the latter. I love Hull and East Yorkshire, but HCC are terrible.
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It's nothing to do with how I see it. It's the UK constitution.

They simply shown that they didn't look at what the proposals are. It was a waste of time and money for several reasons.
 
merchantman5;7133350]So name one school in the East Riding that is now part of a national group that is been used to teach the teachers of tomorrow. It was only a week or two that Sirius Acadamy was in the HDM as been one of those schools. You don't get in that group by been a crap school.

How's Endeavour school getting on ??
 
Reading this suggests that there's a lot of reactionaries that haven't looked at what the proposals actually are.
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
Show me then. Have you got any facts, or is this just simple whataboutery?
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You're the one spouting, do your own meaningless research. It's precious little to do with the proposals either way, but at least the penny seems to have dropped that the vote was a total waste of time and money.
 
A bit like another much criticised referendum the second question was worded as a threat -

The second question was 'do you think Hull City Council should be allowed to build on land it owns in the green open spaces separating Hull and the towns and villages in the East Riding?'

This was clearly designed to bring NIMBY's out in their droves.
 
Patches O'Houlihan said:
You see it that way, but I see it as an overwhelming vote of confidence by the people of the East Riding, and that they want **** all to do with Hull or our council. I strongly agree with them on the latter. I love Hull and East Yorkshire, but HCC are terrible.
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If Hull was 'Greater Hull' like all the other cities in the North are, perhaps those who think HCC are terrible could use their vote and put someone else in power? I hear Diana Johnson isn't exactly enthusiastic with the idea of parts of Cottingham being lumped onto Orchard Park and North Hull, as had been suggested as part of the electoral reform. Because her safe Labour seat wouldn't be so safe in the future. On the other hand would the likes of Terry Geraghty be so confident of getting voted back in after every election?
I hope the Secretary of State has a less jaundice view on this matter then some of those campaigning so strongly for the 'No' camp on narrow minded issues like 'I like village life' and those looking down their noses at the city of Hull and it's people as though we are camped out on the border waiting to rape and pillage those, in a lot of cases, who actually live on the same street as them.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
You're the one spouting, do your own meaningless research. It's precious little to do with the proposals either way, but at least the penny seems to have dropped that the vote was a total waste of time and money.
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No evidence, I thought as much. Well done, DMD. <laugh>
 
wotnoash said:
A bit like another much criticised referendum the second question was worded as a threat -

The second question was 'do you think Hull City Council should be allowed to build on land it owns in the green open spaces separating Hull and the towns and villages in the East Riding?'

This was clearly designed to bring NIMBY's out in their droves.
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It's ironic given ERYC are by far the biggest threat to greenbelts.
 
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