Name change discussion
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Not necessarily, John. Perhaps that is what we see; that is all.
EDIT: John, imagine this were a family problem (it is really), there would be bluster, threats, senses of righteousness and lots emotional bullshit - and people talking behind the scene to sort it sensibly. Allam, though, makes normalcy improbable; he makes a mockery of logic and common-sense, he makes a mockery of supporters and customers. Hey-ho, I'm soooo lucky to have a twat in control of my club.
No new faces coming into the club administration (I'm confused over its name); will the remaining good-eggs, like Lord, be leaving.
Don't be channelled by the name-change and rhetoric, attack the man (in an acceptable manner), because he is the problem, his plan is utter bollocks.
If you haven't signed the stop the name change petition yet, it's here...
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...erse-the-unwanted-rebranding-of-hull-city-afc
13,340 signatures so far.
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...erse-the-unwanted-rebranding-of-hull-city-afc
13,340 signatures so far.
House of Commons
Thursday 30 January 2014
Football Governance and Finance
6. Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab): What plans she has to bring forward legislative proposals in respect of football governance and finance. [902289]
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (Mrs Helen Grant): I will continue to work with football authorities to press for improvements in the game. They have made some significant changes, but my expectation is that they can, and will, make further progress. We will move to legislate if football fails in that task.
Mr Cunningham: I am sure the Minister knows about the dispute between Coventry city council and Coventry football club, since I and my colleagues have made representations to her Department in the past. The Culture, Media and Sport Committee report on football governance from July 2011 found the Football Association in need of urgent reform and called on the Government to introduce legislation if drastic changes were not made. In April 2013, the then sports Minister stated that he agreed with the Committee and that his officials had started working up a draft Bill. Where is the Bill? Let us have some action.
Mr Speaker: I think some of these matters could be usefully pursued through Adjournment debates, and will probably have to be.
Mrs Grant: Football authorities introduced reforms in August last year, including smaller boards and a new licensing system to deal with ownership, financial matters and supporter liaison and engagement. A start has been made, but much more needs to be done. As I have stated, if more is not done there is always the option to legislate.
Mr Speaker: If I gently hint at shorter questions and answers; then we might make more progress.
Damian Collins (Folkestone and Hythe) (Con): Further to the question asked by the hon. Member for Coventry South (Mr Cunningham), will the Minister consider
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publishing the draft Bill and supporting documentation referred to by the previous sports Minister and place them in the House of Commons Library?
Mrs Grant: I will consider that request and write to my hon. Friend.
Mr Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South) (Lab): There is all-party support for the changes to football legislation mentioned in the Select Committee report and I urge the Minister to keep the pressure on. Otherwise, experience shows that football authorities think we have gone away. Football supporters want to see change.
Mrs Grant: Rest assured that we will.
Mr John Leech (Manchester, Withington) (LD): Whether it is financial mismanagement that results in clubs losing their grounds, or bonkers owners trying to change team names or team colours, surely it is time for parliamentary intervention to protect the rights and interests of fans.
Mrs Grant: I agree to a large extent with my hon. Friend. Our hope is that football authorities will make the changes that need to be made, but if they do not, there is always the option of legislation.
Jonathan Edwards (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) (PC): Will the Minister join me in endorsing the Swansea City football club model in which the supporters trust owns 20% of the club and sits on the board of directors? Last year the club reported a profit of £15.3 million, following a £14.6 million profit the previous year. Surely that is the way forward for football governance.
Mrs Grant: That sounds a very interesting model and, of course, it is for football authorities to agree what works best. I think there is a place for all types of ownership, and supporters will always have the best interests of their clubs at heart. I am delighted that AFC Wimbledon, Brentford and Exeter City are now owned fully or partly by supporters. I have had recent meetings with Supporters Direct and the Football Supporters Federation, and I look forward to working with them closely on a number of projects.
Thursday 30 January 2014
Football Governance and Finance
6. Mr Jim Cunningham (Coventry South) (Lab): What plans she has to bring forward legislative proposals in respect of football governance and finance. [902289]
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport (Mrs Helen Grant): I will continue to work with football authorities to press for improvements in the game. They have made some significant changes, but my expectation is that they can, and will, make further progress. We will move to legislate if football fails in that task.
Mr Cunningham: I am sure the Minister knows about the dispute between Coventry city council and Coventry football club, since I and my colleagues have made representations to her Department in the past. The Culture, Media and Sport Committee report on football governance from July 2011 found the Football Association in need of urgent reform and called on the Government to introduce legislation if drastic changes were not made. In April 2013, the then sports Minister stated that he agreed with the Committee and that his officials had started working up a draft Bill. Where is the Bill? Let us have some action.
Mr Speaker: I think some of these matters could be usefully pursued through Adjournment debates, and will probably have to be.
Mrs Grant: Football authorities introduced reforms in August last year, including smaller boards and a new licensing system to deal with ownership, financial matters and supporter liaison and engagement. A start has been made, but much more needs to be done. As I have stated, if more is not done there is always the option to legislate.
Mr Speaker: If I gently hint at shorter questions and answers; then we might make more progress.
Damian Collins (Folkestone and Hythe) (Con): Further to the question asked by the hon. Member for Coventry South (Mr Cunningham), will the Minister consider
30 Jan 2014 : Column 994
publishing the draft Bill and supporting documentation referred to by the previous sports Minister and place them in the House of Commons Library?
Mrs Grant: I will consider that request and write to my hon. Friend.
Mr Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South) (Lab): There is all-party support for the changes to football legislation mentioned in the Select Committee report and I urge the Minister to keep the pressure on. Otherwise, experience shows that football authorities think we have gone away. Football supporters want to see change.
Mrs Grant: Rest assured that we will.
Mr John Leech (Manchester, Withington) (LD): Whether it is financial mismanagement that results in clubs losing their grounds, or bonkers owners trying to change team names or team colours, surely it is time for parliamentary intervention to protect the rights and interests of fans.
Mrs Grant: I agree to a large extent with my hon. Friend. Our hope is that football authorities will make the changes that need to be made, but if they do not, there is always the option of legislation.
Jonathan Edwards (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) (PC): Will the Minister join me in endorsing the Swansea City football club model in which the supporters trust owns 20% of the club and sits on the board of directors? Last year the club reported a profit of £15.3 million, following a £14.6 million profit the previous year. Surely that is the way forward for football governance.
Mrs Grant: That sounds a very interesting model and, of course, it is for football authorities to agree what works best. I think there is a place for all types of ownership, and supporters will always have the best interests of their clubs at heart. I am delighted that AFC Wimbledon, Brentford and Exeter City are now owned fully or partly by supporters. I have had recent meetings with Supporters Direct and the Football Supporters Federation, and I look forward to working with them closely on a number of projects.
SUPPORT FROM THE FOOTBALL FAMILY
CITY TILL WE DIE would like to publicly express our gratitude to the supporters’ trusts who have offered their support and/or submitted evidence to the Football Association regarding the proposed re-branding of Hull City AFC.
The decision that the FA have to make in deciding whether Hull City AFC may be renamed “Hull Tigers” is an issue that potentially affects fans of all clubs in England and Wales who treasure their heritage as much as we do.
This has been clearly demonstrated by the support CTWD have received from Supporters Direct and the trusts run by our fellow supporters up and down the country.
Support has come from fellow Premier League clubs such as the Swansea City Supporters’ Trust , who own 20% of their club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, Liverpool supporters’ union “Spirit Of Shankly” and the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust . Chelsea Supporters’ Trust, Crystal Palace Supporters’ Trust, Newcastle United Supporters’ Trust , Norwich City Supporters’ Trust and Fulham Supporters’ Trust have also made their feelings known on the effect the decision could have on English football.
It isn’t only a decision that affects those lucky enough to play at the top level and receive the bulk of the commercial revenue in our game. Cambridge Fans United, Ipswich Town First, and QPR 1st have all called on the FA to respect both the history of football in this country and the role supporters play in our game.
CTWD would also like to thank The Dons Trust, owners of AFC Wimbledon, for their support. The process the FA will follow to determine whether it will allow Hull City AFC to be rebranded was established after the FA were powerless to stop Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes in 2003 and becoming MK Dons in 2004.
CTWD continue to petition the Football Association to reject any rebranding of Hull City AFC until supporters of Hull City AFC have been properly consulted.
CITY TILL WE DIE would like to publicly express our gratitude to the supporters’ trusts who have offered their support and/or submitted evidence to the Football Association regarding the proposed re-branding of Hull City AFC.
The decision that the FA have to make in deciding whether Hull City AFC may be renamed “Hull Tigers” is an issue that potentially affects fans of all clubs in England and Wales who treasure their heritage as much as we do.
This has been clearly demonstrated by the support CTWD have received from Supporters Direct and the trusts run by our fellow supporters up and down the country.
Support has come from fellow Premier League clubs such as the Swansea City Supporters’ Trust , who own 20% of their club, the Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, Liverpool supporters’ union “Spirit Of Shankly” and the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust . Chelsea Supporters’ Trust, Crystal Palace Supporters’ Trust, Newcastle United Supporters’ Trust , Norwich City Supporters’ Trust and Fulham Supporters’ Trust have also made their feelings known on the effect the decision could have on English football.
It isn’t only a decision that affects those lucky enough to play at the top level and receive the bulk of the commercial revenue in our game. Cambridge Fans United, Ipswich Town First, and QPR 1st have all called on the FA to respect both the history of football in this country and the role supporters play in our game.
CTWD would also like to thank The Dons Trust, owners of AFC Wimbledon, for their support. The process the FA will follow to determine whether it will allow Hull City AFC to be rebranded was established after the FA were powerless to stop Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes in 2003 and becoming MK Dons in 2004.
CTWD continue to petition the Football Association to reject any rebranding of Hull City AFC until supporters of Hull City AFC have been properly consulted.
Not forgetting that down in the lower leagues there is another..... Darlington 1883. (formed from the ashes of Darlington FC)
Noticed the 19th minute chant seemed to be E1 and E2 only today.
Someone in West Upper shouted "Boring" during the "We say no Allam" chant which seemed to be met with approval.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Someone in West Upper shouted "Boring" during the "We say no Allam" chant which seemed to be met with approval.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Plus E3 and E4 according to the photographic evidence on Twitter, unless people were holding up scarves without singing, possible but not probable.
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I looked around the ground and it was very noticeable in the east, with good scarf showing in the south, upper west and north.
You didn't notice that at all. You 'saw' what you wanted to.
It was the loudest chant of the day as always.
Loudest song has always been City Till I die
In recent years.
I always sing it and don't consider it a protest song.
We say no is not as loud as it was...
I thought the noise level wasn't very good yesterday .
The sooner we can have the north stand for the home end the better ...
We need all the vocals in there together ...
Including those in the west stand that try to sing .
Wish the osc could get behind a campaign to give us the north stand .
In recent years.
I always sing it and don't consider it a protest song.
We say no is not as loud as it was...
I thought the noise level wasn't very good yesterday .
The sooner we can have the north stand for the home end the better ...
We need all the vocals in there together ...
Including those in the west stand that try to sing .
Wish the osc could get behind a campaign to give us the north stand .