Name change discussion

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This single thread thing for the name change issue may not work after all. It seemed sensible at the time, but there's such a scope for crossover that moving posts over in bulk probably makes it more messy. The name change issue is simply too big, it encroaches on everything.

I know there's an amount of people on this forum who jump on every most Blampey makes, but a reasonable question is a reasonable question, and it ties in directly with the Jelavic and Long deals (which have their own threads).

I think the decision was less about people's concerns over descending threads, and more about trying to control in certain posters (on both sides of the argument, to be fair).



It hasn't worked.
 
Alpha Kenny body said:
Just got an email from the FSF. Didn't even know I was a member. They want me to fill in a short survey about the name change.

1) Are you a Hull City fan?

2) Do you support the name change.

Having completed the survey it seems I am free to fill it in again...

Also this highlights the problem of surveys. This one in particular is clearly worded by an anti-change person/group. If I say no I am not supportive of it does that mean I am against it? If the question was are you against it, would a no vote mean I am for it? There's no middle ground option.
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It doesn't say that at all.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Perhaps you need to start your own campaign instead of just niggling away at the current one with 'what ifs and maybe's'. It's clear from your comments and suggestions that you've not had dealings with Mr Allam, because if the group acted as you suggest, there would be no Hull City irrespective of the FA decision.

Me I think the campaign group are doing far better than I expected any of us to manage and they're certainly raising our global profile as fans.
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What's wrong with asking reasonable questions; why on earth should I start my own campaign? Have you had dealings, with Mr Allam, that would qualify you to be so opinionated in telling me what to do? For that matter, just how many dealings have the campaign group had with Allam? Unless it is not being declared, I am only aware that they met him once at the name-change meeting and since that he has refused to speak to them. You have made a decision to attack me, on this and another thread and you should stop now.
 
Fez said:
What's wrong with asking reasonable questions; why on earth should I start my own campaign? Have you had dealings, with Mr Allam, that would qualify you to be so opinionated in telling me what to do? For that matter, just how many dealings have the campaign group had with Allam? Unless it is not being declared, I am only aware that they met him once at the name-change meeting and since that he has refused to speak to them. You have made a decision to attack me, on this and another thread and you should stop now.
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He spoken since then, he told them they were hooligans ect.
 
Fez said:
What's wrong with asking reasonable questions; Nothing wrong with a reasonable question, it'd be far better than repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

why on earth should I start my own campaign? Because you clearly don't like the existing one and it's not going to change to suit you.

Have you had dealings, with Mr Allam, that would qualify you to be so opinionated in telling me what to do? Yes.

For that matter, just how many dealings have the campaign group had with Allam? Unless it is not being declared, I am only aware that they met him once at the name-change meeting and since that he has refused to speak to them. Ask them, not me.

You have made a decision to attack me, on this and another thread and you should stop now. I'm, not attacking YOU you tart, I'm commenting on your point. Stop repeating the same **** and I'll stop pointing out you're repeating the same ****.
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Now, can the debate move UP to the present time instead of regurgitating last months? TA.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Does every positive have to be dragged through the muck? Can't we just enjoy the extra funds he's providing for the team?
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Like Portsmouth enjoyed their FA Cup win?

Party Hull! said:
This single thread thing for the name change issue may not work after all. It seemed sensible at the time, but there's such a scope for crossover that moving posts over in bulk probably makes it more messy. The name change issue is simply too big, it encroaches on everything.

I know there's an amount of people on this forum who jump on every most Blampey makes, but a reasonable question is a reasonable question, and it ties in directly with the Jelavic and Long deals (which have their own threads).
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Spot on. There are people on here who clearly don't like him so just de-rail every thread he starts, even when it's a reasonable point. This one is an important issue. I, like Stuart, would love to know what has actually changed that we can suddenly afford all this expenditure. The child in me is excited about new players but you have to wonder how this affects the long-term future of the club. Particularly as Allam, even when running the club as a business as he keeps telling us, can't actually make the club any money. Yet hardly anyone has discussed the point and just want to focus on Agro and moderation. Is the tidiness of this board really more important then the future of our club?
 
PLT said:
Like Portsmouth enjoyed their FA Cup win?



Spot on. There are people on here who clearly don't like him so just de-rail every thread he starts, even when it's a reasonable point. This one is an important issue. I, like Stuart, would love to know what has actually changed that we can suddenly afford all this expenditure. The child in me is excited about new players but you have to wonder how this affects the long-term future of the club. Particularly as Allam, even when running the club as a business as he keeps telling us, can't actually make the club any money. Yet hardly anyone has discussed the point and just want to focus on Agro and moderation. Is the tidiness of this board really more important then the future of our club?
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It would seem so......
 
Everton, according to their boards usually buy on the never-never. I wonder if we are doing the same, 10% down the rest over 3 years.

The accounts of Allam Marine and Allamhouse will tell us whether we can afford to spend this amount of money, or whether we are going down the same road as Bartlett.
 
Obadiah said:
Everton, according to their boards usually buy on the never-never. I wonder if we are doing the same, 10% down the rest over 3 years.

The accounts of Allam Marine and Allamhouse will tell us whether we can afford to spend this amount of money, or whether we are going down the same road as Bartlett.
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I think most clubs do that, and that's the problem. It's OK if you're a stable club like Everton but newly promoted teams can't guarantee the income so it becomes a problem. But we wouldn't have the funds to sign these players paying up front and we'd just increase our chances of relegation by not signing anyone we can't afford to pay up front for. It's a conundrum.
 
Obadiah said:
Everton, according to their boards usually buy on the never-never. I wonder if we are doing the same, 10% down the rest over 3 years.

The accounts of Allam Marine and Allamhouse will tell us whether we can afford to spend this amount of money, or whether we are going down the same road as Bartlett.
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While talking publicly like Martin Fish.
 
The Omega Man said:
Why doesn't someone PM Fez with what was in the minutes and get him to agree to an NDA so that he can ignore it and tell the rest of us?
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Probably because they can't agree on what the minutes are. But:

Nothing to arm the campaign
Innocuous Allam family stuff leave out; unless it has a direct bearing on the current state of the debate and the future state of the club
Don't spare the club - what is so very, very bad?

Secrets are power, allegedly.
 
With respect, there is evidence that the answers he is getting on here are not satisfactory, in his view. Maybe an email direct to CTWD would give him better information.

Just a thought.
 
The Omega Man said:
He doesn't have to email anyone, he can ask on here, we are supposed to have reps. Maybe he should send them a postcard.
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He has one rep and OLM has answered his question numerous times. He could e-mail us and see if he gets a better answer.
 
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