Israel, please stop this ...

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Do you want to live in a place where there are only white British people ?
I honestly believe it’s not about the colour of anybody’s skin, never have, in my 62 years, it’s about the culture of the society that I live in that’s important to me, and cultures evolve depending on the dominance of people within them. The problems don’t come from colour or race, they come from when any group try to force their beliefs and values on to everyone imho, live and let live.
 
No.

I’d like to live in a place where everybody respects each other and each others beliefs and values.

Unfortunately that doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t look like it’s happening there either.
And you think your inferences respect others beliefs and values I presume?
 
I honestly believe it’s not about the colour of anybody’s skin, never have, in my 62 years, it’s about the culture of the society that I live in that’s important to me, and cultures evolve depending on the dominance of people within them. The problems don’t come from colour or race, they come from when any group try to force their beliefs and values on to everyone imho, live and let live.
Aye. I’d say rich people, lords and ladies, the royal family, need to have a word with themselves.
 
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As long as it’s from a neutral perspective <whistle>

You mention Israel’s pre-emptive strikes but nothing about Palestinian guerrila groups who were upping their attacks against the Israeli state and its peoples.

Think I’ll give it a miss.
It is from a respected Historian who has taught and studied at several universities and whose family include the former mayor of Jerusalem .

It is also highly recommended by the historian William Dalyrmple. So is a book recommended by a leading British historian also biased?
 
Basically you're either pro Palestine or pro Israeli. You believe what you want to believe.
You really, really believe this - do you?

You at some time, take a stand on something or other and that’s it.
For ever & ever amen.
Come hell or high water.
When new evidence/news/information comes to light your stance is steadfast ?

l can only sit here and wonder that anyone can possibly close there mind in such a way.
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Objective of war is to win. I am not defending any actions of either sides and the history and complexity of it all is insane. But logically, if you're provoked to that level and have the military might, you use it until the enemy is completely disintegrated
‘You use it until the enemy is completely DISINTIGRATED’

Oh my good good you actually advocate the destruction of a whole population???

Because this is what is ACTUALLY happening.
 
‘You use it until the enemy is completely DISINTIGRATED’

Oh my good good you actually advocate the destruction of a whole population???

Because this is what is ACTUALLY happening.

Did you just ignore the rest of the post?

I am staying the objective to war is to do exactly that. Win. By any means.

I am no way saying I agree with any actions.
 
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Did you just ignore the rest of the post?

I am staying the objective to war is to do exactly that. Win. By any means.

I am no way saying I agree with any actions.
I not only read your post l quoted your post and commented on the quote.
Regardless of what you say in the beginning of your post you wrote and thus meant to say what you said DISINTIGRATION.
 
I not only read your post l quoted your post and commented on the quote.
Regardless of what you say in the beginning of your post you wrote and thus meant to say what you said DISINTIGRATION.

That's what people go to war for don't they ?

It's not me mate. Just saying that's what they will do, to destroy the enemy.
 
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Hamas are terrorists hiding behind the people who put them into power.
Israel are not occupying anything they handed over land once occupied by Israel in 2005.
Hamas are a disgrace and your taxes that the UK send in aid has been spent on weapons and not infrastructure.
Every terrorist cell should be wiped off the face of the earth.
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I'm going to put my two penneth in here,despite promising myself I wouldn't.
Firstly,let me make it clear that I agree completely with the OP...no-one wants to see innocent men,women and children dying and undergoing such misery as witnessed in Gaza.
However,I would make the following observations.
To suggest the Israelis have invaded Palestine in the last 100 years and suppressed its' people is just not correct. The scriptures of all religions going back thousands of years speak of Jews living in Palestine....history tells us they have as much a claim on parts of this land as do Arab peoples.
Following the end of WW2, mainly in response to the dreadful events in Europe perpetrated by the Nazis,the League of Nations voted,not unanimously,but by a majority,to support the establishment of the State of Israel in the land known as Palestine.Jerusalem would be administered by the UN,as it became,in order to ensure all faiths had access to their Holy Sites within that city,and the British were asked to oversee the resolution,as they had taken control of Palestine after the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WW1.
Israel accepted the resolution,to establish their country within the boundaries,and to accept that all other areas of Palestine....Gaza,the West Bank of the Jordan river included,would be Palestinian land,a separate country,controlled by the Palestinian people.
The Palestinians,among other Arab countries, rejected the UN proposal.
The Israelis established their State,the British refused to be caught in the middle and left, and the Palestinians have resorted to terrorist tactics to remove it,since 1978 being financed by the regime in Iran,via Hamas,Hezbollah and others,whose ultimate objective is to wipe Israel out. Their actions over the last 50 years have only succeeded in helping to create the most heavily armed,highly trained,resourceful and dedicated army in the world,which they have absolutely no hope of ever defeating.
The Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank have had no elections for over 15 years. Their so-called leaders base themselves in Cairo,Qatar,Syria and elsewhere.
Hamas hides itself underground in Gaza,in areas of high population.Lebanon,once a thriving business city,with trade links throughout the world,is now largely derelict,since its' annexation by Iran,who sought the positional strength provided by Hezbollah in the Golan.
What on earth did Hamas think was going to happen when it initiated the events of October 7? It must have known it was provoking a right wing,militarily inclined Israeli Govt.,whose people are sick and tired of 75 years of living in fear of terrorist attack,who would take the opportunity to try to crush them once and for all.
Hamas have brought untold misery to their own people.
In my humble opinion, the only way to end this is for Hamas to surrender to save the Palestinian people( their own people!) any more misery,release the hostages and do some kind of exchange for their own in Israeli jails. The Palestinians have then to accept that Israel exists,and they need to live alongside them in peace,sever their ties with Iran and its' lackies,elect themselves some intelligent representatives who can then secure some proper support and,crucially,financial backing from the Arab world to build themselves a future for them and their children in what is a beautiful and fertile land. This would create pressure on Israel to retreat from its' settlements in the West Bank and other areas outside of its' territory, which it has established as a buffer zone, hopefully,no longer required.
Sorry to be so long winded chaps!
Spot on the Palestinians are not ruled by Israel they are not occupied by the Israelis
Multiculturalism is an amazing thing and has so many positives. Your lens says the opposite
Multiculturalism works if it is accepted by all parties Islam does not.
 
Hamas are terrorists hiding behind the people who put them into power.
Israel are not occupying anything they handed over land once occupied by Israel in 2005.
Hamas are a disgrace and your taxes that the UK send in aid has been spent on weapons and not infrastructure.
Every terrorist cell should be wiped off the face of the earth.
You r

Spot on the Palestinians are not ruled by Israel they are not occupied by the Israelis

Multiculturalism works if it is accepted by all parties Islam does not.
Here we go. Unlike you who is fully inclusive
 
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Hamas are terrorists hiding behind the people who put them into power.
Israel are not occupying anything they handed over land once occupied by Israel in 2005.
Hamas are a disgrace and your taxes that the UK send in aid has been spent on weapons and not infrastructure.
Every terrorist cell should be wiped off the face of the earth.
You r

Spot on the Palestinians are not ruled by Israel they are not occupied by the Israelis

Multiculturalism works if it is accepted by all parties Islam does not.
Palistine in 1917 had only 4% of Jews in the population, they were Arab Jews. The Jews who are there now came from Europe because they were persecuted and not wanted. The Balfour Deleration was a way to solve a European problem by moving it to Palestine gifting some else’s land to colonize. This involved moving Palestinians off their land by often violent means.

The most significant being the Nakba in 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians had their property taken from them and forced to flee over the borders to other countries. Then laws were past to ban Palistinians who had lost everything from returning to their homes, which had now been occupied by Israelis. No compensation has ever been paid.

The land you talk about was actually land which had been Egyptian, not Palestinian. The West Bank has never been handed back it has continued to be occupied and settler’s continue to occupy more and more land, taking that land from the families who are farming it, once again this happens at gun point, they move in with bulldozers overnight and knock the buildings down with people still in bed.

If this was happening to you you would feel oppressed and occupied. You would fight for your family and your land. If you were ignored by the rest of the world you might even join a group of other likeminded friends to try and take back what has been stolen from you.
 
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Spot on the Palestinians are not ruled by Israel they are not occupied by the Israelis.

Eh? Israel occupies the West Bank.

Every terrorist cell should be wiped off the face of the earth.

That would be the IDF then. Shooting inside hospitals, bombing ambulances, slaughtering defenceless civilians while they queue up for aid, shooting dead Christian women through the window who are seeking refuge in a church, murdering aid workers, even shooting their own unarmed bare-chested hostages because they mistook them for Palestinians.
 
It might be interesting to know what the leaders of Hamas were expecting, when they authorised the attack on Israel and the deaths of over 1100 people and the capture of over 250 Isreali citizens, to be used as hostages.

I seriously doubt that they expected to prevoke the response that they got.
However while the Hamas fighters seem to have suffered, the most casualties, by far, have been the Palitinian civilians.

Netanyahu must have thought that his ship had come in.

Just under 50% of Israeli's would prefer to reach a long term settlement to the problem.
Just over 50% of Isreali's support the harder approach.
This can be infered from election results over recent years.
That's democracy at work I suppose.

However, as I see it, while the biggest losers are the Palastinian people, Hamas will gain many recruits in the future, from children and young men wanting vengeance for loved ones, slaughtered by the Isreali reaction.

Israel has stoked up more problems for the future.
 
Approximately 600 IDF soldiers killed and anywhere between 6,000 and 10,000 Hamas fighters killed. This is definitely a war. It’s just a war full of war crimes. Although, proving war crimes is extremely difficult.
 
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