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You’ve got a militant group performing and act of terrorism on Oct 7th. Absolutely horrendous. Israel had every right to retaliate and did so - it should have ended there. At every turn since their initial retaliation, Israel have ushered people to areas of Gaza for ‘safety’ only to bomb those same areas soon after. What they are doing is inhumane.
 
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Rade Prica said:
You’ve got a militant group performing and act of terrorism on Oct 7th. Absolutely horrendous. Israel had every right to retaliate and did so - it should have ended there. At every turn since their initial retaliation, Israel have ushered people to areas of Gaza for ‘safety’ only to bomb those same areas soon after. What they are doing is inhumane.
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Objective of war is to win. I am not defending any actions of either sides and the history and complexity of it all is insane. But logically, if you're provoked to that level and have the military might, you use it until the enemy is completely disintegrated
 
Prehab26 said:
Objective of war is to win. I am not defending any actions of either sides and the history and complexity of it all is insane. But logically, if you're provoked to that level and have the military might, you use it until the energy is completely disintegrated
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Agree mate, but this isn’t war. It’s just the mass slaughter of civilians. There’s no war to be had.
 
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It seems obvious to me that unless hamas release the hostages Israel must keep pressing to force hamas to do so. Oct 7th cannot be allowed to be repeated.
 
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Rade Prica said:
Agree mate, but this isn’t war. It’s just the mass slaughter of civilians. There’s no war to be had.
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It's war it's just also ****ing **** and all over national media.

There are wars going on across the globe right now. More kids getting bombed and sliced up. But won't make the national news.

We still sell more arms to Israel than most than most these days.

Unfortunately, war is good for Dosh. Always has and always will. I did watch it all at the start but it was all controlled media. Load of crap. So turned the Ukraine and Gaza stuff off all social media since.
 
Prehab26 said:
But there is enough research to show that it hasn't been stolen. I mean, when you look at other parts of the world that's now been totally taken over, is that stolen?
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Can I suggest that you read The Hundred Years’ War on Palistin, byRashid Khalidi. Then you might see that the evidence is that European migrants have colonised Palestine from a country with only 4% Jews in the population. You will also see that Zionists set out to creat conflict as this was the best way to justify taking the land away from the people already living there. The worst example was the Nakba in 1948, 15% of Palestinian men were killed and 750,000 displaced and forced into exile and refugee camps. Laws were then passed to outlaw the return of those families to the homes and farms they owned and no compensation for the loss was ever paid.

Since then you have had the six day war in which Israel preemptively attacked several Arab nations, occupying large areas of Egypt and the West Bank. Over time settlers have stolen land of Palestinians living there, often by force of arms backed by the Israeli armed forces.

We can not put all of these wrongs right, but any solution must at the very least acknowledge the rights of those in refugee camps the right to compensation and the right to return to their homes and equal rights in their homeland.
 
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Woody said:
It seems obvious to me that unless hamas release the hostages Israel must keep pressing to force hamas to do so. Oct 7th cannot be allowed to be repeated.
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Netanyahu doesn’t give a fcuk about the hostages. If they’re released he’ll not have much wiggle room to carry on the destruction.
 
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Washysafc said:
Can I suggest that you read The Hundred Years’ War on Palistin, byRashid Khalidi. Then you might see that the evidence is that European migrants have colonised Palestine from a country with only 4% Jews in the population. You will also see that Zionists set out to creat conflict as this was the best way to justify taking the land away from the people already living there. The worst example was the Nakba in 1948, 15% of Palestinian men were killed and 750,000 displaced and forced into exile and refugee camps. Laws were then passed to outlaw the return of those families to the homes and farms they owned and no compensation for the loss was ever paid.

Since then you have had the six day war in which Israel preemptively attacked several Arab nations, occupying large areas of Egypt and the West Bank. Over time settlers have stolen land of Palestinians living there, often by force of arms backed by the Israeli armed forces.

We can not put all of these wrongs right, but any solution must at the very least acknowledge the rights of those in refugee camps the right to compensation and the right to return to their homes and equal rights in their homeland.
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As long as it’s from a neutral perspective <whistle>

You mention Israel’s pre-emptive strikes but nothing about Palestinian guerrila groups who were upping their attacks against the Israeli state and its peoples.

Think I’ll give it a miss.
 
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Can I suggest that you read The Hundred Years’ War on Palistin, byRashid Khalidi. Then you might see that the evidence is that European migrants have colonised Palestine from a country with only 4% Jews in the population. You will also see that Zionists set out to creat conflict as this was the best way to justify taking the land away from the people already living there. The worst example was the Nakba in 1948, 15% of Palestinian men were killed and 750,000 displaced and forced into exile and refugee camps. Laws were then passed to outlaw the return of those families to the homes and farms they owned and no compensation for the loss was ever paid.

Since then you have had the six day war in which Israel preemptively attacked several Arab nations, occupying large areas of Egypt and the West Bank. Over time settlers have stolen land of Palestinians living there, often by force of arms backed by the Israeli armed forces.

We can not put all of these wrongs right, but any solution must at the very least acknowledge the rights of those in refugee camps the right to compensation and the right to return to their homes and equal rights in their homeland.
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I honestly don't know enough about it all to comment. Not sure most do.

It's another reason why I hate religion.

All a load of ****e. More blood being spilled down to religion more than anything ever.
 
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Saf said:
As long as it’s from a neutral perspective <whistle>

You mention Israel’s pre-emptive strikes but nothing about Palestinian guerrila groups who were upping their attacks against the Israeli state and its peoples.

Think I’ll give it a miss.
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All n an attempt to regain the lands they had lost.
The sad fact is we are now in a rinse and repeat cycle and something has to give, otherwise we will have another hundred years of innocent people on both sides dying.
 
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Prehab26 said:
I honestly don't know enough about it all to comment. Not sure most do.

It's another reason why I hate religion.

All a load of ****e. More blood being spilled down to religion more than anything ever.
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I agree, no state should be based on religion, be that Iran, Saudi, Israel, India. People should be free to worship any god they want but not to impose that view on anybody else.
 
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Brainy Dose said:
I'm going to put my two penneth in here,despite promising myself I wouldn't.
Firstly,let me make it clear that I agree completely with the OP...no-one wants to see innocent men,women and children dying and undergoing such misery as witnessed in Gaza.
However,I would make the following observations.
To suggest the Israelis have invaded Palestine in the last 100 years and suppressed its' people is just not correct. The scriptures of all religions going back thousands of years speak of Jews living in Palestine....history tells us they have as much a claim on parts of this land as do Arab peoples.
Following the end of WW2, mainly in response to the dreadful events in Europe perpetrated by the Nazis,the League of Nations voted,not unanimously,but by a majority,to support the establishment of the State of Israel in the land known as Palestine.Jerusalem would be administered by the UN,as it became,in order to ensure all faiths had access to their Holy Sites within that city,and the British were asked to oversee the resolution,as they had taken control of Palestine after the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WW1.
Israel accepted the resolution,to establish their country within the boundaries,and to accept that all other areas of Palestine....Gaza,the West Bank of the Jordan river included,would be Palestinian land,a separate country,controlled by the Palestinian people.
The Palestinians,among other Arab countries, rejected the UN proposal.
The Israelis established their State,the British refused to be caught in the middle and left, and the Palestinians have resorted to terrorist tactics to remove it,since 1978 being financed by the regime in Iran,via Hamas,Hezbollah and others,whose ultimate objective is to wipe Israel out. Their actions over the last 50 years have only succeeded in helping to create the most heavily armed,highly trained,resourceful and dedicated army in the world,which they have absolutely no hope of ever defeating.
The Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank have had no elections for over 15 years. Their so-called leaders base themselves in Cairo,Qatar,Syria and elsewhere.
Hamas hides itself underground in Gaza,in areas of high population.Lebanon,once a thriving business city,with trade links throughout the world,is now largely derelict,since its' annexation by Iran,who sought the positional strength provided by Hezbollah in the Golan.
What on earth did Hamas think was going to happen when it initiated the events of October 7? It must have known it was provoking a right wing,militarily inclined Israeli Govt.,whose people are sick and tired of 75 years of living in fear of terrorist attack,who would take the opportunity to try to crush them once and for all.
Hamas have brought untold misery to their own people.
In my humble opinion, the only way to end this is for Hamas to surrender to save the Palestinian people( their own people!) any more misery,release the hostages and do some kind of exchange for their own in Israeli jails. The Palestinians have then to accept that Israel exists,and they need to live alongside them in peace,sever their ties with Iran and its' lackies,elect themselves some intelligent representatives who can then secure some proper support and,crucially,financial backing from the Arab world to build themselves a future for them and their children in what is a beautiful and fertile land. This would create pressure on Israel to retreat from its' settlements in the West Bank and other areas outside of its' territory, which it has established as a buffer zone, hopefully,no longer required.
Sorry to be so long winded chaps!
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Agree with the second half of this post in that Hamas need to be broken down but the events following world war 2, to me just seem like invasion and conquest.

Much of England lived under Danelaw 1100/1200 years ago. I think we'd be pretty ****ed off if the UN arbitrarily decided Denmark had a right to much of the north of England, Norfolk, and London and they came in and built walls around those areas and kept grabbing more and more land.

The problem isn't Jews in Palestine. The problem is the systematic destruction of Palestine to benefit Israel.

Until both sides feel like they're getting what they want, being afforded basic human rights etc, this will just go on for another hundred years.

It feels like the end game for the state of Israel is to take all of Palestine. And that's not good, they're behaving like Russia but for some reason they're not viewed as such.
 
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Mackem-Tiz said:
Basically you're either pro Palestine or pro Israeli. You believe what you want to believe.
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This is why I won’t take a side. Palestine was barbaric in their initial attack, Israel had a right to act however they have been barbaric in their response.

The sad reality is this conflict will likely go on until the end of time with the odd peace break, or until one of them is wiped out.

This is also why it is causing issues in politics…even though what the UK say won’t have even the tiniest bearing on the conflict.
 
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