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only if you believe in your so called 1st and 2nd options
Anyway, have we signed anyone else yet?

 

Sam Smith and Quentin Crisp.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

Not sure what's happened here today,has someone been offended?

If I've offended anyone,just say so,I won't be offended

 

Which isn't happening.

 

Of course it doesn't. At no point have trans people gone into schools and done sexual dances.

That line is trotted out by the same group that claim Tom Hanks is a ****phile and that any day now the white hats are going to release med bed technology into the world and everybody can just be cured instantly.

That group have duped people out of millions of their hard earned. I ****ing hate it. Which is why I've spent the last five years working with others to **** on them. At least there's been progress.

 

Are we signing a bloke from "Only fools and horses"?

 

It was an instagram post actually get your facts right.

 

-> All this because of a multicoloured flag on a Facebook post. Do we even have mods on this forum any more?.
-> It was an instagram post actually get your facts right.

And our mods don't have user rights to remove posts on Instagram anyway

 

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Oh, don't stop there, I'm always willing to learn. Please can you explain your viewpoint?

 

I have done. I also said I'd rather we left the topic alone now.

 

I’m offended

 

If you look at the last few minutes of the video you will see it happening

 

I posted a video of it happening

 

Football as a sport, indeed most sports, support these views and issues and want to show solidarity, which is fantastic progress and must be a real boon to those lads who are non-cis in a sport that rarely has openly gay players.

What I do find rather hypocritical are the likes of Lineker and players such as Jordan Henderson, who say they support these causes and players wearing rainbow laces etc only to **** off for a heap or money to countries that have appalling human rights on these issues.

 

IMHO, the worst thing to happen to LGB rights in recent years has been the forced-teaming with TQ+ along with the confusion of sex versus gender. LGB folk had pretty much got to legal equality in the UK with the introduction of marriage equality (still the state church ie CofE to go), and had majority public acceptance that homophobia is a bad thing. Instead of then focussing on supporting LGB folk in areas where they still faced bigotry (like football!), or for youngsters who are confused about their sexuality and facing hostility from family and community, or supporting LGB people abroad in areas where homosexuality is still illegal, Stonewall went a bit mad with the TQ+ stuff. And now lesbians like Ric's daughter are called sexual racists for preferring their sexual partners to be female bodied, mediocre male athletes are taking over women's sports (all medalists in the women 800m at the 2012 olympics were biological men with a developmental sex disorder, as does Barbra Banda, the captain of Zambia's women's football team) and many schools now have converted their toilet blocks to unisex instead of boys/girls which sound an utter misery for all pupils whatever their sex or gender or sexuality.

How any of that supports LGB people to be able to live their lives free of bigotry and harassment beats me.

 

The problem with conversations like this in an open forum is that it becomes a hot bed of extreme takes on both sides.

Do Trans people deserve to exist? In my view - undoubtedly yes and they deserve more protection.

Should sexualised drag acts be performed in front of children? Absolutely not, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the former does it?

Should trans women (and men) be able to participate in elite sport? Depends on the person, the sport and the science as to how much of an advantage biological sex makes doesn't it? Sport and natural biological performance aren't ever really straight forward conversations.

Does the pride flag appearing in one instagram post mean anything but a show of support? Your view on that, I don't think so but I'd never call it '****' when I know it helps others.

As soon as these kinds of tropes find their way into a conversation about LGBT+ people, I'm afraid to say I lose faith in the conversation. It becomes a pointless bit of political point scoring at the expense of a lot of people who just want to live their lives in a way that isn't going to hurt anyone else.

There are militant people of all colours, religions, sexualities, genders. Just because you've heard one thing about them you don't like doesn't mean that the rest either follow that view point or it devalues all the other reasons that they are allowed to be who they want to be.

This is not me saying these conversations shouldn't be had (before the free speech lovers come calling for my head), but instead don't we owe it to people to take more of a light and shade view than a black and white one?

 

of course transwomen and transmen should be able to participate in elite sport, as in any other part of public life. In the sex category appropriate for them, like Quinn the Canadian footballer.

The science is clear that men as a category are taller and stronger than women, with greater lung capacity. As a consequence there’s not many elite sports where men and women compete as equals. Dressage is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

 

The most offensive thing in this whole thread.