Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?
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Have to say I am liking Leadsom. She's not your typical politician and now we're seeing the slick political machine trying to take advantage of that. She makes a comment about being a mum and as Ian Duncan Smith has said it's like a Black Ops operation to tarnish her and some are even claiming she should step down from the race 
As I said a week ago, I saw her on an interview and she was pressed to give a 'yes' or 'no' answer and I was expecting her to do the typical politican thing of coming out with some "non-answer" but instead she replied "Yes" which was refreshing simply because it showed someone who perhaps hasn't been groomed by the political machinery. Her comments about being a mum giving her the edge, while maybe naive, also provides some hope she's not just a soundbite.
As I said a week ago, I saw her on an interview and she was pressed to give a 'yes' or 'no' answer and I was expecting her to do the typical politican thing of coming out with some "non-answer" but instead she replied "Yes" which was refreshing simply because it showed someone who perhaps hasn't been groomed by the political machinery. Her comments about being a mum giving her the edge, while maybe naive, also provides some hope she's not just a soundbite.
Which only goes to show knowing half the facts is a dangerous thing. Something the Brexiteers are finding out all too well now
How do you mean, I thought her premise was that they focused early on, on making the economic argument which proved successful in restricting the Leave campaign to a point where they couldn't respond.. But because it was very early on, they inadvertently became a victim of that success as the Leave campaign then moved the debate on to their foothold, namely immigration. And the Remain campaign were unable to bring it back to the Economic argument as it couldn't hold up against the concerns being raised by immigration. The end of her piece was probably a bit bias, but up to the point I've mentioned I thought there was merit in what she said.
You seem very angry today Treble, not something I normally associate with you
plus as I keep saying I was firmly in the remain camp!!!That's kind of the point I was making, once they lost the economic argument (and I believe her words, not mine, was that most people attitude was **** the financial sector, they don't worry about us, why should we worry about them), then they didn't have any other credible policies to counter the lies from the leave.
Even the leave campaign jumped on the "take control" message, once Farage had stirred up his hatred.
Now that I know the young lady was from the Mail, I will take what she said with a pinch of salt, but it does kind of stack up that beyond the economy, the remain did not have a strong hand on benefits on why to remain in the EU.
As Roy Keane once said, "fail to prepare, prepare to fail".
You seem very angry today Treble, not something I normally associate with you
That's kind of the point I was making, once they lost the economic argument (and I believe her words, not mine, was that most people attitude was **** the financial sector, they don't worry about us, why should we worry about them), then they didn't have any other credible policies to counter the lies from the leave.
Even the leave campaign jumped on the "take control" message, once Farage had stirred up his hatred.
Now that I know the young lady was from the Mail, I will take what she said with a pinch of salt, but it does kind of stack up that beyond the economy, the remain did not have a strong hand on benefits on why to remain in the EU.
As Roy Keane once said, "fail to prepare, prepare to fail".
I wasn't aiming it at you Pieguts
Yeh I'd agree with that. I'd go further and say their big problem was not having a coordinated strategy (which reinforces your Keane quote). It seemed that apart from letting each other headline a speech, there was very little coming together of minds between Cameron, Corbyn, Khan or the organisers of the significant 40,000 volunteer they had.
I wasn't aiming it at you Pieguts
Yeh I'd agree with that. I'd go further and say their big problem was not having a coordinated strategy (which reinforces your Keane quote). It seemed that apart from letting each other headline a speech, there was very little coming together of minds between Cameron, Corbyn, Khan or the organisers of the significant 40,000 volunteer they had.
I also think that some of the problem is that the main players are all eurosceptics deep down, despite what they claim. Its hard to make a compelling case for something you don't really believe in.
Immigration was allowed to take center stage when the economy should have been the real issue. That must be the fault of the remain campaign's presentations.
Those who take the attitude 'Oh the City boys don't care about us, why should we care about them". Just demonstrate how ill informed they are or were.
The economic fallout from this has started, is continuing, and will continue to unfold in the coming months and weeks.
A lot of what is to happen has not been seen yet. This is due to the 'lag' in the effects of things like the drop in Sterling being felt.
Those who take the attitude 'Oh the City boys don't care about us, why should we care about them". Just demonstrate how ill informed they are or were.
The economic fallout from this has started, is continuing, and will continue to unfold in the coming months and weeks.
A lot of what is to happen has not been seen yet. This is due to the 'lag' in the effects of things like the drop in Sterling being felt.
Most people don't really understand the economy in terms of how the city really works (and I would add myself to that statement, even though I do have some investments!), however what they do see, on a daily basis, is the excesses which stem from it.
At the end of the day, most people will only worry when it starts to hit their pockets and will then expect the government of the day, to produce a rabbit from the hat.
Without seeming to sound rude, most of what was coming out from the remain, was and is, similar to what you have posted. The problem with this approach is it is not very informative to the masses.
I don't disagree with a word of that, which is why it a pity that so much emphasis is still put on immigration.
The economic downturn was predicted and expected; many consider it an inevitable price of the change they were asked to decide upon.
What I think should be added is that, eventually, something new will evolve for Europe, economies will rationalise the change and recover, whilst opportunities for wider growth and collaboration will prosper - it's what happens.
Change brings challenge, some embrace it and get on with it, others get left behind. The U.K. will not be left behind.
What I expected; it what happens when a liar is found out and you have been.
Not at all, I was laughing at your rant, full of self-importance. It got the response it deserved
Not at all, I was laughing at your rant, full of self-importance. It got the response it deserved
Liar
I can't pretend that all of it is easy to put across in a way that some of the less, er..perceptive? Voters would understand.
However, the effects on the UK economy, what that would mean for jobs, property values, and the famous 'pound in your pocket' could and should have been out over a lot better, and a lot more forcibly.
This has not so much to do with the City, that's what they fail to understand. The economic effects of this vote have and will hit everybody in the UK.
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