Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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Treble said:
What's sad (and ironic) is that dunces like him hold the opinion that we don't have "children of quality" in this country.
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You insist on lying. My criticism of schools is not the children it is the teachers. They accept anybody as a teacher nowadays and no matter how extreme their failure they don't get sacked. They simply get moved to another school.
 
Fez said:
I have asked you aleady; show me where I have supported any bigotry of Peter Saxton? You failed to do so, but you continue with the lie. That makes you a repeated liar; it really is that simple, no emotion, no toys out of pram, just fact.
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You are not going to get anywhere with him. He makes wild accusations and then moves on to the next lie hoping he can distract you from the previous lie.
 
petersaxton said:
It was a typo.
It's nothing to do with being snobbish. I think most people accept that grammar schools were better than the state schools of today.
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Grammar schools could and did cherry pick the cleverest 11 yr olds ... any school could get good results in those circumstances.
Education improved from the 1960s onwards as literacy and mathematics levels across the whole of society improved (which they had to do as Britain's economy changed from being manually based to service based (generally speaking).

The constant attacking of education is ideologically driven by politicians who want to rubbish current education standards so they can continue their drive to privatise education using academies.

Politicians of all parties bemoan our education standards, comparing it to different European countries yet refuse to copy one thing all those countries insist on, namely learning through play and no formal education (sitting at desks etc.) until a child is 7 yrs old.
Instead this Tory government is forcing 4 and 5 yr olds to learn sitting at a desk.

Everyone has seen how much of an idiot Gove is yet he was in charge of Education for years. Pretty much sums up how badly education has been handled in Britain.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Grammar schools could and did cherry pick the cleverest 11 yr olds ... any school could get good results in those circumstances.
Education improved from the 1960s onwards as literacy and mathematics levels across the whole of society improved (which they had to do as Britain's economy changed from being manually based to service based (generally speaking).

The constant attacking of education is ideologically driven by politicians who want to rubbish current education standards so they can continue their drive to privatise education using academies.

Politicians of all parties bemoan our education standards, comparing it to different European countries yet refuse to copy one thing all those countries insist on, namely learning through play and no formal education (sitting at desks etc.) until a child is 7 yrs old.
Instead this Tory government is forcing 4 and 5 yr olds to learn sitting at a desk.

Everyone has seen how much of an idiot Gove is yet he was in charge of Education for years. Pretty much sums up how badly education has been handled in Britain.
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Of course they did pick the brightest - even though I say so myself. :-)
In those days it meant working class children could get a good education and there was social mobility. Now the situation is back to what it was before grammar schools and well of parents can pay for a good education and bright working class children dont have any help for them to progress. Working class children or are not academically gifted don't have any help from schools to make use of their talents. Nowadays many graduates end up in retail or call centres rather than developing skills the country needs. Media studies - given the standard of newspapers, TV and films - is not the way to go.
 
[QUOTE="petersaxton, post: 9449717, member: 1005264"]Are you saying that Romanians are not responsible for more ATM and copper thefts than other people in the UK on a per capita basis?

Why should I be embarrassed by the Sensible Party?

You must be deluded if you think this thread would give anybody any meaning to life. What failure are you talking about exactly? What have I said about ethnic minorities?

You seem to spew out any lies without any shame. Is that how you teach?[/QUOTE]
Show me the figures and the source please
 
paultheplug said:
[QUOTE="petersaxton, post: 9449717, member: 1005264"]Are you saying that Romanians are not responsible for more ATM and copper thefts than other people in the UK on a per capita basis?

Why should I be embarrassed by the Sensible Party?

You must be deluded if you think this thread would give anybody any meaning to life. What failure are you talking about exactly? What have I said about ethnic minorities?

You seem to spew out any lies without any shame. Is that how you teach?
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Show me the figures and the source please[/QUOTE]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...manian-ATM-thieves-90-UK-cashpoint-fraud.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-metal-theft-cost-plunder-hits-770m-year.html
 
I provided the evidence and you are unable to refute it. Do you have any information that the information is false or do you just refuse to believe anything that doesn't support your view of the world?
 
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petersaxton said:
Of course they did pick the brightest - even though I say so myself. :)
In those days it meant working class children could get a good education and there was social mobility. Now the situation is back to what it was before grammar schools and well of parents can pay for a good education and bright working class children dont have any help for them to progress. Working class children or are not academically gifted don't have any help from schools to make use of their talents. Nowadays many graduates end up in retail or call centres rather than developing skills the country needs. Media studies - given the standard of newspapers, TV and films - is not the way to go.
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My kids are working class and have done and are doing extremely well at their local non grammar school as have hundreds of thousands of others up and down the country. The reason "standards"drop this year is because the Tories brought in a new set of tests which are completely inappropriate for primary children.
I took copies of the tests and gave them to mates (many of whom went to university and qualify as being " well educated") and they struggled with some questions.
For example, do you know that unless a sentence began with the word "what" or "why" children are marked down for using an exclamation mark.
So "Oh my God, she's dead!" gets marked as being wrong. Seriously...what a pile of ****! (That's correct though).

Educational and children are being used to score cheap political points which as far as I am concerned is unacceptable.
 
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That came out all wrong. Posting on the i-pad in bright sunshine is obviously not a good idea.
I didn't believe Pete's comments and asked him for some figures and a source. He refers me to the Daily Fail as if that is the fount of all knowledge. I am not now or ever have been associated with Pete or his Sensible party and will take legal action against any one who alleges that I have.
 
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paultheplug said:
That came out all wrong. Posting on the i-pad in bright sunshine is obviously not a good idea.
I didn't believe Pete's comments and asked him for some figures and a source. He refers me to the Daily Fail as if that is the fount of all knowledge. I am not now or ever have been associated with Pete or his Sensible party and will take legal action against any one who alleges that I have.
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It's a news report in the Daily Mail. Are you saying that this reporting is wrong? Can you provide some evidence please?
 
petersaxton said:
I provided the evidence and you are unable to refute it. Do you have any information that the information is false or do you just refuse to believe anything that doesn't support your view of the world?
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'Police intelligence believe' does not constitute evidence. Show me a list of all ATM thefts and copper thefts and show me the list of convictions.
 
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The economic downturn in the event of a downturn was entirely predictable for those who understand how markets react. However, it was not entirely predictable for a a large number of voters who were not fully aware of the consequences of a leave vote at this time.

It's done now, the die is cast. The results of the hit the currency and the economy will take are yet to be fully seen. They will be, however, over the next few weeks and months.

A price worth paying?? Highly debatable! If you voted leave for reasons of immigration, almost certainly not. Otherwise we will have to wait and see.
 
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