Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Age is relevant if it turns you into a boring auld ****er.

Then again, you were probably just as ****ing boring in your youth

 

Have to say I am liking Leadsom. She's not your typical politician and now we're seeing the slick political machine trying to take advantage of that. She makes a comment about being a mum and as Ian Duncan Smith has said it's like a Black Ops operation to tarnish her and some are even claiming she should step down from the race

As I said a week ago, I saw her on an interview and she was pressed to give a 'yes' or 'no' answer and I was expecting her to do the typical politican thing of coming out with some "non-answer" but instead she replied "Yes" which was refreshing simply because it showed someone who perhaps hasn't been groomed by the political machinery. Her comments about being a mum giving her the edge, while maybe naive, also provides some hope she's not just a soundbite.

 

You seem very angry today Treble, not something I normally associate with you plus as I keep saying I was firmly in the remain camp!!!

That's kind of the point I was making, once they lost the economic argument (and I believe her words, not mine, was that most people attitude was **** the financial sector, they don't worry about us, why should we worry about them), then they didn't have any other credible policies to counter the lies from the leave.
Even the leave campaign jumped on the "take control" message, once Farage had stirred up his hatred.
Now that I know the young lady was from the Mail, I will take what she said with a pinch of salt, but it does kind of stack up that beyond the economy, the remain did not have a strong hand on benefits on why to remain in the EU.
As Roy Keane once said, "fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

 

I want to literally kick Murray's head off his shoulders. Nasty snarling **** whose had the fortune of a free win due to not coming against the guy who kicks his ass every time they meet.

C*NT.

 

Pissed ??!!

 

I wasn't aiming it at you Pieguts

Yeh I'd agree with that. I'd go further and say their big problem was not having a coordinated strategy (which reinforces your Keane quote). It seemed that apart from letting each other headline a speech, there was very little coming together of minds between Cameron, Corbyn, Khan or the organisers of the significant 40,000 volunteer they had.

 

Absolutely, I can't stand the c*nt.

 

I also think that some of the problem is that the main players are all eurosceptics deep down, despite what they claim. Its hard to make a compelling case for something you don't really believe in.

 

Immigration was allowed to take center stage when the economy should have been the real issue. That must be the fault of the remain campaign's presentations.

Those who take the attitude 'Oh the City boys don't care about us, why should we care about them". Just demonstrate how ill informed they are or were.

The economic fallout from this has started, is continuing, and will continue to unfold in the coming months and weeks.

A lot of what is to happen has not been seen yet. This is due to the 'lag' in the effects of things like the drop in Sterling being felt.

 

What I expected; it what happens when a liar is found out and you have been.

 

That's nice

 

Do you never tire of being wrong?

You seem to have an unquenchable thirst for it.

 

Well played Murray.

 

Most people don't really understand the economy in terms of how the city really works (and I would add myself to that statement, even though I do have some investments!), however what they do see, on a daily basis, is the excesses which stem from it.
At the end of the day, most people will only worry when it starts to hit their pockets and will then expect the government of the day, to produce a rabbit from the hat.
Without seeming to sound rude, most of what was coming out from the remain, was and is, similar to what you have posted. The problem with this approach is it is not very informative to the masses.

 

I don't disagree with a word of that, which is why it a pity that so much emphasis is still put on immigration.

The economic downturn was predicted and expected; many consider it an inevitable price of the change they were asked to decide upon.

What I think should be added is that, eventually, something new will evolve for Europe, economies will rationalise the change and recover, whilst opportunities for wider growth and collaboration will prosper - it's what happens.

Change brings challenge, some embrace it and get on with it, others get left behind. The U.K. will not be left behind.

 

Not at all, I was laughing at your rant, full of self-importance. It got the response it deserved

 

Can he just dissapear now? Please? ****.

 

Liar

 

I can't pretend that all of it is easy to put across in a way that some of the less, er..perceptive? Voters would understand.

However, the effects on the UK economy, what that would mean for jobs, property values, and the famous 'pound in your pocket' could and should have been out over a lot better, and a lot more forcibly.

This has not so much to do with the City, that's what they fail to understand. The economic effects of this vote have and will hit everybody in the UK.