Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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FosseFilberto said:
<laugh> ... smugly? ... I'm not smug I'm fookin' livid ... I've worked in my particular field for 30 years and have been off sick for half-a-day in total (projectile vomiting that wasn't really fair to share with my colleagues) ... I've tried to instill the same work ethic in my kids ... if you want nice things you have to work for them .. you are not entitled to anything that you haven't earned ... all to easy to blame past generations ... there is a world out there and if you are prepared to work hard there are plenty of opportunities ... if that's smug so be it ...

Patronised and disenfranchised .. seriously? ... if advocating getting off your arse and taking responsibilty for your own life is patronising and disenfranchising the poor loves ... well guilty as charged ... no excuse for not in my book.

... and that you appear to think that border control has nothing to do with immigration? ... well now I am grinning ... perhaps even smugly <laugh.
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For somebody who's so insufferably smug himself, he spends an inordinate amount of time accusing others of it!
 
Just Stan said:
You need to break that news to a few Leave voters on this thread, when they come out from behind the sofa.

The funniest part of that debate was straight after when they were asked the question, Boris, Leadsom and the Labour woman all looked at each other hoping someone else would answer it.
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Before you call me names and take the piss out of my glasses remember I voted remain.......

I didn't pay an awful lot of attention to either campaign and instead did my own research and my own decision - can you show me some quotes from Boris and Co. Where they said migration would be culled or did they call for controls?

.....I expect that Nige said culled or strung up?
 
steveninaster1 said:
Indeed, but that will involve free movement which might not be what some expected from Brexit. Anything done will need to be sorted quickly to avoid a generation losing this benefit.
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It won't necessarily involve free movement. It could just be the scheme we use in non EU countries.
 
steveninaster1 said:
You would be surprised how unreliable that list is. German Universities for example are consistently high level across the board and have an excellent reputation for linking into their manufacturing sector to provide a high level of employment for their students. They rarely appear at the top of the worlds universities but it would be wrong to assume a degree in Germany isnt highly valued. My son is currently looking at studying Physics in Sweden but is yet to decide.
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What would you like on your CV

Got a first at Oxford or MIT a First at XXXXX in France?

Yes a German degree in engineering is good, but so are the UK ones.
 
FosseFilberto said:
Please explain how an attitude like mine is part of the problem?
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Already done above. Dismissing a section of society, without acknowledging that they are victims of the failure of others, including me and you, is leaving a disenfranchised section of society that is growing.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step to finding a solution. Brushing them away and replacing them is hardly conducive to resolving it.
 
steveninaster1 said:
It's a false argument that assumes everyone can get into Oxford or MIT.
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I agree with this. I'm in favour of wider educational opportunities, and learning in another country offers a fair number of challenges that would give a qualification more credence.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I saw Boris clearly say that immigration was not an issue, and that if anything immigration could well increase. It was the equality and control that was the issue.
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Yeah the message that immigration could increase beyond it's current levels was of course how it was put across <doh>

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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Already done above. Dismissing a section of society, without acknowledging that they are victims of the failure of others, including me and you, is leaving a disenfranchised section of society that is growing.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step to finding a solution. Brushing them away and replacing them is hardly conducive to resolving it.
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... I haven't dismissed anybody ... I grew up on the Saffron Lane in Leicester which is about as far removed from leafy suburbia as you can get ... I could have easily accepted that as my lot in life ... but I wanted more than just existing so I worked in Leicester, starting off on very modest wages in a decorator's merchants, before moving to take a job in South East England that had better longer term prospects ... living as a lodger for the first 3 years whilst I got money together to get my own place .....for me that is just taking responsibility for my own life rather than 'expecting' someone else to do it ... I'm not brushing anyone away ... indeed I'm advocating self-empowerment ... amazing what you can acheive in life if you put some effort in rather than just sitting around feeling sorry for yourself and expecting something to turn up on your doorstep ...
 
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Freedom of movement for our youth isn't just about where they choose to study, it's about being able to view the entire EU as their job market. The ability to decide to go and live and work anywhere within the EU, without having to apply for work permits and visas.

This is one of the prime reasons why 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

To deny that a post brexit UK without freedom of movement is viewed as a negative for that age group is both delusional and patronising as it's ignoring what they've actually said on the issue.
 
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Tobes said:
Freedom of movement for our youth isn't just about where they choose to study, it's about being able to view the entire EU as their job market. The ability to decide to go and live and work anywhere within the EU, without having to apply for work permits and visas.

This is one of the prime reasons why 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

To deny that a post brexit UK without freedom of movement is viewed as a negative for that age group is both delusional and patronising as it's ignoring what they've actually said on the issue.
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How many of them would work in the EU?

As our youth as you "remains" say are all lazy
 
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HRH Custard VC said:
How many of them would work in the EU?

As our youth as you "remains" say are all lazy
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How long is a piece of string? Who knows how many from future generations would choose to take that option? The fact is that they wanted to keep that option there.

I've never said all of our youth are lazy, so yet more generalisation and nonsense from you.
 
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