Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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Freedom of movement for our youth isn't just about where they choose to study, it's about being able to view the entire EU as their job market. The ability to decide to go and live and work anywhere within the EU, without having to apply for work permits and visas.

This is one of the prime reasons why 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

To deny that a post brexit UK without freedom of movement is viewed as a negative for that age group is both delusional and patronising as it's ignoring what they've actually said on the issue.

I didn't think 75% of that age group voted remain. I thought the majority never voted.
 
Freedom of movement for our youth isn't just about where they choose to study, it's about being able to view the entire EU as their job market. The ability to decide to go and live and work anywhere within the EU, without having to apply for work permits and visas.

This is one of the prime reasons why 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

To deny that a post brexit UK without freedom of movement is viewed as a negative for that age group is both delusional and patronising as it's ignoring what they've actually said on the issue.

But 73% of how many 18-24 year olds?

If the main barrier to someone wanting to work overseas is the need to apply for an Entry Clearance then they probably don't have the motivation or drive to work overseas... Maybe?

A top economist, teacher, doctor, manager, engineer etc will still be able to work in the EU after we leave as will similar EU nationals here.

A farm labourer, fisherman, cleaner or any other low skilled low paid worker won't either as a Brit in the EU or as an EU citizen here.
 
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... I haven't dismissed anybody ... I grew up on the Saffron Lane in Leicester which is about as far removed from leafy suburbia as you can get ... I could have easily accepted that as my lot in life ... but I wanted more than just existing so I worked in Leicester, starting off on very modest wages in a decorator's merchants, before moving to take a job in South East England that had better longer term prospects ... living as a lodger for the first 3 years whilst I got money together to get my own place .....for me that is just taking responsibility for my own life rather than 'expecting' someone else to do it ... I'm not brushing anyone away ... indeed I'm advocating self-empowerment ... amazing what you can acheive in life if you put some effort in rather than just sitting around feeling sorry for yourself and expecting something to turn up on your doorstep ...

Your replies come across as dismissive. I don't know what age you are, but I do know a fair few in the younger demographic that will work hard if given the opportunity. It's just there are certainly far fewer opportunities than we had.

I'm having to support my own children far more than my parents supported me. Not because I'm better, or my parents were bad, it's just a function of how things are.

Changing the system is more favourable than simply claiming the 'Brit' youth are work shy.
 
75% did not vote, to busy playing xbox and taking selfies. Thats more important than voting.
Latest research done by LSE shows 64% of 18-24 year olds voted. It is a pity that the Lord Ashcroft poll which was based on voters in the last election has been used when it failed to include those turning 18 since the election and those who didn't vote in the last election.
 
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Ft 250 shares getting back to pre Referendum levels (within 2 weeks as I predicted)

@Just Stan
Ok.

It was 17,300 just before the referendum.

The referendum was 3 weeks ago.

It's now 16,700.

So still 3.5% down.

But your call of it being back up to pre referendum levels in 2 weeks was spot on.

Or to look at it another way, 2 weeks after the referendum it was 15,700, over 9% down.

You actually are very suited to be Chancellor of the Sensible Party as you're ****ing clueless.

You probably think an ISA is a terrorist.
 
But 73% of how many 18-24 year olds?

If the main barrier to someone wanting to work overseas is the need to apply for an Entry Clearance then they probably don't have the motivation or drive to work overseas... Maybe?

A top economist, teacher, doctor, manager, engineer etc will still be able to work in the EU after we leave as will similar EU nationals here.

A farm labourer, fisherman, cleaner or any other low skilled low paid worker won't either as a Brit in the EU or as an EU citizen here.

So the freedom to live and work in Europe will only be available to the intellectual elite....welcome to the point <doh>
 
I went to school at a grammar school which was insistent at teaching the pupils how to analyse subjects as well as providing knowledge. I then worked for five years at a time that employers were happy to take on school leavers because they knew, that with a small amount of training, they would be useful members of the workforce. I then came to London and lived in a bedsit that I shared with a girlfriend while we both studied. She studied Maths and I studied Accountancy. I then rented a flat while training and studying at an international firm of accountants. I got fantastic experience along with great training. I then worked as an accountant in an international group. I then decided that I wanted my own accounting practice so I took on clients who I worked on their accounts and tax on evenings and weekends while still working full time. When I had reached full capacity I took a part time job so I could take on more clients. Eventually I worked full time as a self employed accountant. I've now reached the stage where I get rental income as well as income from my accounting practice and my wife, who's only 56, is retired.
I am grateful to my school for enabling me to have a good start in life so that I was wanted by employers and later on lecturers and senior accountants, managers and partners made sure I had the best possible education, experience and training.
I dont think enough is done at schools nowadays to give children a chance of getting a job. Employers are worried that they have to teach school leavers things that they should know when leaving school. Too many children don't seem to be willing to work hard. They also don't seem to be used to basic learning. The education system, rather than being left as it is, needs an overhaul from top to bottom. They should get rid of incompetent teachers and bring in teachers who have the skills and determination to produce school leavers who are wanted by employers and universities.
 
Ok.

It was 17,300 just before the referendum.

The referendum was 3 weeks ago.

It's now 16,700.

So still 3.5% down.

But your call of it being back up to pre referendum levels in 2 weeks was spot on.

Or to look at it another way, 2 weeks after the referendum it was 15,700, over 9% down.

You actually are very suited to be Chancellor of the Sensible Party as you're ****ing clueless.

You probably think an ISA is a terrorist.

What part of the GETTING back up do you fail to understand?

If I were you I would stick to calling everyone Racist, its you MO.
 
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Your replies come across as dismissive. I don't know what age you are, but I do know a fair few in the younger demographic that will work hard if given the opportunity. It's just there are certainly far fewer opportunities than we had.

I'm having to support my own children far more than my parents supported me. Not because I'm better, or my parents were bad, it's just a function of how things are.

Changing the system is more favourable than simply claiming the 'Brit' youth are work shy.

You've over generalised my comments .. I have made comments specifically about jobs at distribution centres within the company that I work for ... and in those locations it is certainly not the case of economic immigrants 'contributing' to the 'lack of opportunities for our youth' ... I don't see how any system change would make any difference to that ... it's all about the appetite and desire to work .. to get a foot on the employment ladder as a first step ... and then take it from there .. .
 
64% of those eligible to vote in the 18-24 bracket did so, and not as you incorrectly stated that the "majority didn't vote"

75% was your stat not mine btw.

You're **** at this

New research found:-
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65
 
New research found:-
The results found that 64% of those young people who were registered did vote, rising to 65% among 25-to-39-year-olds and 66% among those aged between 40 and 54. It increased to 74% among the 55-to-64 age group and 90% for those aged 65
And your point is what?
 
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