Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

What an appalling attitude.

Why surprise surprise? That's a sweeping slur on the youth of this nation. Your solution seems to be to discard them, and pay them benefits to do nothing, while at the same time, adding to the loss of assets in countries that are struggling. Instead, perhaps we should look at why the youth won't work for you.

I know several companies that take on modern apprentices, who work extremely hard for a pittance for the hope of a long term job. Perhaps the youth you're talking of don't want to work in such a pompous, arrogant environment.

 

... because ALL trade union members are Labour supporters of course ...

Meanwhile at Sensible Party HQ ... Mrs Saxton sets a new viewing record for watching the movie Shirley Valentine ...

 

The ability to learn in different countries varies, so there's nothing to preclude individual exchange programmes. Youth unemployment is still high across Europe, and any drop could be a consequence of people leaving, rather than an upturn in employment.

 

I can't alter what you replied to BobbyD, you might of thought you were referring to someone else, but the way in which you phrased it did not make it in any way clear, quite the opposite. You're wrong, any honest English teacher would tell yo so, but if it is important for you to be right for once then crack on.

 

If that were true then you would expect an upturn in our youth unemployment and other countries with low youth unemployment, yet ours is down from 22% in 2011. Greece is often a quoted for having 50% youth unemployment but it has dropped 10% in three years and there is little sign of this trend changing.
The ability to study without paying foreign student fees is a definite plus of the EEA.

 

... with you 100% on that ... they should get off their arses and contribute before they are allowed to draw benefits ... no signing on straight from school ... community work if no paid work ... see there is common ground after all.

As for discarding them ... the jobs are there ... nobody has discarded them ... many have made a life choice to 'discard' themselves from actively contributing to society ... as to why they won't work? ... easy that one ... because they are idle ... the differential between doing an honest days work for a 'living wage' is not, for many, sufficient for them to be 'bothered' ... there is a real difference in migrants ... they will take a job with a view to progression, either through that employment or looking for different employment WHILST they are working - afirst foot on the ladder ... contrary to populat myth they are not all copper theives ... I won't over generalise but all too often the British attituted is "I want it now" ...

 

I totally understand your point, but, just for clarity, do you think it is the same youth who voted for Remain and whinged about the older generations robbing them of their future? I don't expect you to have the answer, as I haven't, just interested in your view.

 

Ok, whatever!

As I say, only one person didn't seem to realise who I was referring to - you!

 

You're quick to criticise and abuse today's youth, it could be as well to consider that they didn't create the situation they're in. They're victims of the actions of the generations that preceded them. We were more fortunate an inherited a better system, but that's as much an accident of birth as it is any reflection on the ability of the generation.

Smugly and incorrectly making sweeping an ignorant generalisations is not going to work toward solving it.

 

On that I honestly have no idea ... I do sincerely believe that the referendum was decided primarily on the immigrant issue ... which for me is incredibly depressing ...

 

They would have been too lazy to vote or they would have voted Leave in the misguided belief that the foreigners would be sent home which would lead to a rise in their own benefit payments.

 

Entirely agree, Fosse. It was allowed to take centre stage and was cynically exploited by some of those in the leave campaign.

It has to be a failing of the remain campaign that they allowed that one issue to hijack the debate.

 

The very small amount of support you got had absolutely nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of it, just the ongoing pettiness some of you seem to thrive in. It's a simple matter of comprehension and how I read it is how BobbyD and you wrote it.

 

Particularly as it wasn't very relevant to the referendum as evidenced during Boris's TV debate. Anyone who voted Leave because of the immigration issue is a ****ing moron and has been utterly duped.

 

.. no smugness (or indeed generalisations) ... in my role I have visited some of our very large distribution centres (mainly in central England) and spoken to the managers there (who are predominantly British) .. same stories occur again and again - very few British applicants for the jobs on offer so the shifts get filled with workers from 'abroad' ... another damning fact is that absenteeism is far higher amongst British workers ... .many will jack it in even before a first week is up or be constantly taking the odd day off sick ... the cynic in me can't help but think that this may be related to satisfying job seeker's allowance criteria in some way (but I don't know enough about that) .....

Our graduate programmes get filled with Brits ... no problem there ... but the idea of starting at the bottom and working your way up appears to be alien to large proportions of our youth .. they seem to feel some bizarre 'entitlement' to living life to the full with all the trappings of enjoyment without the need to contribute to society in any way ...

 

That's one view, I suppose.

 

You do realise studying in other countries, EU and none EU was going on before the EU became about.
Also this will still happen post exit.

 

Immigration played a legitimate part, as did many other things.

 

Maybe the teacher need to educate them better. Nothing is free in this life.
Out of interest what is the jobs offered and are they full time or zero hour contracts?

 

And I would argue a fair amount of the responsibility for causing, and therefore resolving it, falls to the generations that created it.

Smugly pointing it out as an issue is as much a part of the problem as the attitudes you mention.

Immigrants were not a major factor in voting trends, border control possibly was, but a feeling of being patronised and disenfranchised was a bigger factor in my view, and that is precisely what you are doing.