ctwd now out in the open

[look_back_in_amber]

Sigh.

I don't get this, do you really not see any reason why someone might have a problem with Allam?

Of course I do, I have never suggested that I am pro name change, however I feel that it is a step too far to be referring to him in terms of being an utter ****, etc., and I realise that it's not only you that use those terms in reference to him, to be declaring how much you hate him, and attempting to defend the juvenile inscription that was was posted on twatter for all the world to see by the chairman of a group that constantly state they have no problem with AA other than the name change, and don't want to see him leave, if that's true then it infers that Gretton would like to see someone that he clearly regards as a **** in charge of his club.

So I'll give you a question back PLT. Sigh, do you REALLY not have a problem with THAT post that was made on twatter?

 

[Polly13]

I need to repeat what I said earlier, via this simplified sequence of events:



Allam buys the club and saves it from a possible downward spiral of Pompey-like proportions. The means by which he does this, whether by a gift or a loan, are unclear, but we are ALL nonetheless grateful.


Allam tries to buy the stadium, and the land around it, from the Council. They refuse. Again, the rights and wrongs around this are unclear to many of us who don't really involve ourselves with business matters, but the fact reamins that the Council were totally within their rights to refuse his offer, and Mr Allam should accept that.


Allam announces his plans to change the name of the club. Some might not like to accept it, and seemingly still won't, and he himself won't actually admit it, but everyone knows that this is because of his spat with the Council. CTWD is established and the 19.04 chant is born.


Chaos ensues, but the matter is officially brought to an end by the FA, who reject his proposal to change the name of the club.


CTWD supporters continue to sing at 19.04, in an act of defiance and out of loyalty to the origins of this great old club. Nobody seems too bothered by this.


Allam spends a ****load of money this summer. Again, we are ALL immensely grateful for this. Then, despite the FA ruling against him, calls an absurd press conference to simply repeat what he said months ago regarding the name change and his ownership of the club.


CTWD supporters continue with the 19.04 chant and suddenly those previously silent fans (and boy, have they been SILENT around me for ****ing years now) vent their anger against them.




Any fool can see what's going on here.

The anti-CTWD brigade represent everything that is shallow and superficial about so many of today's football fans. To these people, the owners of their clubs can do anything, as long as they provide Premier League football and the opportunity to watch £300k/week megastars every fortnight.

As I stated earlier in this thread, the anti-CTWD lobby are not just a disgrace and an embarrassment to Hull City Football Club, but to English football as a whole.

 

[Vaslav]

I absolutely defend anyone's right to delete my posts or filter me ... I even defend mark Gretton's right to post tweets like those about Dr. Allam and his hip flask as well as defending the right of other fans to perceive the singing at 1904 as protests and respond with boos and Dr. Allam to decide that even if the those opposing him are not a majority of fans, there are enough of them to make him throw in the towel. I do fail to understand why CTWD feel they can ask all the fans not to boo but they have no control over those singing "City 'til I Die" at 1904 mins ... which is what provokes the boos .... I also think CTWD will find there is opposition amongst a majority of fans if they try and have influence over whoever runs the club after the Allams. CTWD is, I reckon, a pretty toxic brand amongst most City fans .... there's not much to debate really ... The Allams have as good as moved on, whether of not CTWD are / were anti-Allam or not, the situation is too far gone ... in Dr. Allam's mind, Hull City is I reckon already the past and he'll be looking to the future and other ways to fill his time. It's not necessarily anyone's fault. It was nice while it lasted.

 

[AttilaTheHen]

I absolutely defend anyone's right to delete my posts or filter me ... I even defend mark Gretton's right to post tweets like those about Dr. Allam and his hip flask as well as defending the right of other fans to perceive the singing at 1904 as protests and respond with boos and Dr. Allam to decide that even if the those opposing him are not a majority of fans, there are enough of them to make him throw in the towel. I do fail to understand why CTWD feel they can ask all the fans not to boo but they have no control over those singing "City 'til I Die" at 1904 mins ... which is what provokes the boos .... I also think CTWD will find there is opposition amongst a majority of fans if they try and have influence over whoever runs the club after the Allams. CTWD is, I reckon, a pretty toxic brand amongst most City fans .... there's not much to debate really ... The Allams have as good as moved on, whether of not CTWD are / were anti-Allam or not, the situation is too far gone ... in Dr. Allam's mind, Hull City is I reckon already the past and he'll be looking to the future and other ways to fill his time. It's not necessarily anyone's fault. It was nice while it lasted.

I absolutely and categorically defend your right to go and jump off Bempton Cliffs.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Vaslav, I've moved your post onto this thread, it had no relevance to the thread you posted it on, please keep your anti-CTWD **** on this one thread, rather than spamming and disrupting other threads.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

I need to repeat what I said earlier, via this simplified sequence of events:



Allam buys the club and saves it from a possible downward spiral of Pompey-like proportions. The means by which he does this, whether by a gift or a loan, are unclear, but we are ALL nonetheless grateful.


Allam tries to buy the stadium, and the land around it, from the Council. They refuse. Again, the rights and wrongs around this are unclear to many of us who don't really involve ourselves with business matters, but the fact reamins that the Council were totally within their rights to refuse his offer, and Mr Allam should accept that.


Allam announces his plans to change the name of the club. Some might not like to accept it, and seemingly still won't, and he himself won't actually admit it, but everyone knows that this is because of his spat with the Council. CTWD is established and the 19.04 chant is born.


Chaos ensues, but the matter is officially brought to an end by the FA, who reject his proposal to change the name of the club.


CTWD supporters continue to sing at 19.04, in an act of defiance and out of loyalty to the origins of this great old club. Nobody seems too bothered by this.


Allam spends a ****load of money this summer. Again, we are ALL immensely grateful for this. Then, despite the FA ruling against him, calls an absurd press conference to simply repeat what he said months ago regarding the name change and his ownership of the club.


CTWD supporters continue with the 19.04 chant and suddenly those previously silent fans (and boy, have they been SILENT around me for ****ing years now) vent their anger against them.




Any fool can see what's going on here.

The anti-CTWD brigade represent everything that is shallow and superficial about so many of today's football fans. To these people, the owners of their clubs can do anything, as long as they provide Premier League football and the opportunity to watch £300k/week megastars every fortnight.

As I stated earlier in this thread, the anti-CTWD lobby are not just a disgrace and an embarrassment to Hull City Football Club, but to English football as a whole.

Bollocks.

The most spontaneous thing that's ever happened at the kc, whether you agree or not needs listening to. Move on super fan.

 

[x]

Bollocks.

The most spontaneous thing that's ever happened at the kc, whether you agree or not needs listening to. Move on super fan.

i agree with polly, mr doormat.

 

[PattyNchips2]

So many people are happy (with their 30 pieces of silver) current owners business approach, regardless of impact on fans.

If the theoretical owner had used the difference to fund the club (& therefore reduce the debt (gift?) and keep the name, YES

you are equating the betrayal of Jesus Christ with the name change??????
hahaha you coldn't make it up!
Don't tell me.............. Assems middle name is Judas.

 

[PLT]

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So if they spontaneously boo the team next then some action should also be taken to please them, right? By your logic it doesn't matter that their booing is totally unwarranted.

Or is it different just cos it's CTWD?

 

[x]

you are equating the betrayal of Jesus Christ with the name change??????
hahaha you coldn't make it up!
Don't tell me.............. Assems middle name is Judas.

gordon bennett, this one has left his brain in neutral.

he was obviously, clearly, blatantly comparing judas with the people whose slavish obedience has been bought by allam's money.

 

[captain caveman]

It wasn't designated a protest song.

From:

http://notohulltigers.tumblr.com/



. ...."We need you to join in our adopted chant on minute 19:04, sing loud and proud “City Till I Die” and if you have a scarf, hold it high....."

 

[Hesfords heros]

if we dont all clap in unison next home match @19:04 whilst chanting.....steve bruce...steve bruce...steve bruce....then clearly theres some fking weirdos out there holding us back

 

[Obadiah]

From:

http://notohulltigers.tumblr.com/



. ...."We need you to join in our adopted chant on minute 19:04, sing loud and proud “City Till I Die” and if you have a scarf, hold it high....."

The first, admittedly tentative, singing of CTID at 19:04 was at the Huddersfield Town match on 24 September 2013. The inaugural meeting of CTWD took place before the meeting. The minutes of that meeting doesn't mention the song or the time. CTWD, as your quote clearly shows, supported a City song that already existed at 19:04.

 

[Spook]

From:

http://notohulltigers.tumblr.com/



. ...."We need you to join in our adopted chant on minute 19:04, sing loud and proud “City Till I Die” and if you have a scarf, hold it high....."

What's wrong with that? Encouraging fans to sing a song isn't a bad thing. Fans from other teams are likely taking the piss out of us for booing each other. No wonder they jeer when the attendance is read out, they know full well how **** some of our supporters are.

 

[captain caveman]

The first, admittedly tentative, singing of CTID at 19:04 was at the Huddersfield Town match on 24 September 2013. The inaugural meeting of CTWD took place before the meeting. The minutes of that meeting doesn't mention the song or the time. CTWD, as your quote clearly shows, supported a City song that already existed at 19:04.

But the quote shows that the protest group 'CTWD' has adopted that chant as its anthem. Can you see how, rightly or wrongly, it is percieved as a protest song?

 

[StrovolosTiger]

It wasn't designated a protest song.

CTID sung at 19:04 was and is a protest song. Even CTWD organisers like Originallembrettaman know it is farcical to deny it;

"CTWD are not in charge of what fans chant at Hull City games.
We encouraged fans to chant City Till I Die at 19.04, we are no longer doing so, what they do from now on is up to them, we can't dictate."



I think to try and claim otherwise is either delusional at best or an insulting lie at worst.

 

[Obadiah]

But the quote shows that the protest group 'CTWD' has adopted that chant as its anthem. Can you see how, rightly or wrongly, it is percieved as a protest song?

The song was designed to stop the anti-name change campaign becoming anti-Allam. Nobody had a problem with it until last Monday showing it achieved that objective.

I can see why people zero in on the song to have a go at CTWD but saying it was started as an anti-Allam chant is completely wrong.

On the back of 19:04 and since Ehab has been back in charge the club shop has sold a range of City Till I Die merchandise. Do you really think they'd have done that if they perceived it has been anti them?

 

[Jeff Lynnes PBCW™]

The song was designed to stop the anti-name change campaign becoming anti-Allam. Nobody had a problem with it until last Monday showing it achieved that objective.

I can see why people zero in on the song to have a go at CTWD but saying it was started as an anti-Allam chant is completely wrong.

On the back of 19:04 and since Ehab has been back in charge the club shop has sold a range of City Till I Die merchandise. Do you really think they'd have done that if they perceived it has been anti them?

There is a realistic chance that we will see fighting break out at 19:04 if the chant continues. CTWD would be put in a better light if they were seen to discourage the 19:04 chant for the sake of fan unity.

 

[StrovolosTiger]

The song was designed to stop the anti-name change campaign becoming anti-Allam. Nobody had a problem with it until last Monday showing it achieved that objective.

I can see why people zero in on the song to have a go at CTWD but saying it was started as an anti-Allam chant is completely wrong.

On the back of 19:04 and since Ehab has been back in charge the club shop has sold a range of City Till I Die merchandise. Do you really think they'd have done that if they perceived it has been anti them?

You can put whatever spin you like on this but it will not alter the truth and that is that an increasing number of people are in opposition to the continued protest.

As has already been stated CTWD encouraged the 1904 protest. They now have an opportunity to put that same influence to use in bringing it to an end and healing the division between the fans. If CTWD sit back and do nothing, what does that say about their assertion that they are capable of being a part of fans liaison and act for the benefit of all fans?

 

[PLT]

The song was designed to stop the anti-name change campaign becoming anti-Allam. Nobody had a problem with it until last Monday showing it achieved that objective.

I can see why people zero in on the song to have a go at CTWD but saying it was started as an anti-Allam chant is completely wrong.

On the back of 19:04 and since Ehab has been back in charge the club shop has sold a range of City Till I Die merchandise. Do you really think they'd have done that if they perceived it has been anti them?

You can put whatever spin you like on this but it will not alter the truth and that is that an increasing number of people are in opposition to the continued protest.

As has already been stated CTWD encouraged the 1904 protest. They now have an opportunity to put that same influence to use in bringing it to an end and healing the division between the fans. If CTWD sit back and do nothing, what does that say about their assertion that they are capable of being a part of fans liaison and act for the benefit of all fans?

Once again Strov, how would it benefit anyone at all for us to stop singing that ong at that time?

You keep conveniently ignoring this question but posting more and more assertions that it must happen.