Off Topic BREXIT

[Edelman]

Lots of plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, etc., "earn" far more than many highly trained engineers (not mechanics). So to which class do the first group and the second group each belong?

Tell me about it.
I used to worked in a bricklaying gang we earned a fortune til the crash happened.
I considered myself middle class then.
Now ive slipped down the socio-economic scale.
Luckily i was rather more assute in my fiscal approach to some i worked with and jostled myself into a position that sheilded me from the worst of the economic downturn.

 

[Bengals Tiger]

Tell me about it.
I used to worked in a bricklaying gang we earned a fortune til the crash happened.
I considered myself middle class then.
Now ive slipped down the socio-economic scale.
Luckily i was rather more assute in my fiscal approach to some i worked with and jostled myself into a position that sheilded me from the worst of the economic downturn.

Good for you!

 

[Bengals Tiger]

I go to the link and copy it, eg.

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and then select Media icon above and paste the link
I think that works although I admit I just blunder through it

Isn't that the kid from the cover of Mad Magazine?

 

[Edelman]

Good for you!

Thanks.

 

[Obadiah]

Remain of course. Proxy. I'm not a bigot

Really, you come across as one.

 

[Obadiah]

that doesn't make sense
why would we make a trade deal with the EU if it means we are not allowed to trade with anybody else?
the EU trades with lots of countries and I'm sure they trade with other countries too
I've never heard of this "one trade deal per country" rule.
Do you have any link that explains this rule?

I'm behind so apologies if you've already got an answer. I think OLM is saying that once we invoke Article 50 we will be offered a trade deal which we can accept or reject. The EU is likely to offer us free trade with strings. The strings being freedom of movement plus the full payment of benefits to EU citizens living in the UK. The government then as to make a decision on whether to accept the conditions or reject the offer of the free trade. The US and other countries the EU have entered into agreements with haven't just voted to leave it. The Ukraine and other European countries may well be seen as a first step to full membership in the future.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Look I'm out of work at the moment, so I'm more than happy to have a go.

Give us a good deal or we invade France.

Piece of piss.

You get my vote.

 

[petersaxton]

I'm behind so apologies if you've already got an answer. I think OLM is saying that once we invoke Article 50 we will be offered a trade deal which we can accept or reject. The EU is likely to offer us free trade with strings. The strings being freedom of movement plus the full payment of benefits to EU citizens living in the UK. The government then as to make a decision on whether to accept the conditions or reject the offer of the free trade. The US and other countries the EU have entered into agreements with haven't just voted to leave it. The Ukraine and other European countries may well be seen as a first step to full membership in the future.

I would expect any trade deal would be subject to negotiations.
We would also be free to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

 

[Obadiah]

I would expect any trade deal would be subject to negotiations.
We would also be free to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world.

The Norwegian agreement you posted a link to includes the right of the Common Market to impose duties on Norway for certain specified imports. It also contains clauses excluding goods imported into Norway being exported into the EU. I looked at the Ukraine agreement but it seems to be just a summary. As ever with these things the devil is in the detail.

 

[Edelman]

The Norwegian agreement you posted a link to includes the right of the Common Market to impose duties on Norway for certain specified imports. It also contains clauses excluding goods imported into Norway being exported into the EU. I looked at the Ukraine agreement but it seems to be just a summary. As ever with these things the devil is in the detail.

Doesnt the Norway deal include free movement of people wth emergency breaks.??

 

[Clovis Iscariot]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

What a drama queen.

 

[Kempton]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

What a bag ****e this is

 

[Obadiah]

Doesnt the Norway deal include free movement of people wth emergency breaks.??

This was the original 1970s deal. It goes on for pages and pages. I just picked out the bits restricting Norway's practical ability to enter into free trade agreements with other countries.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

Save your tears
Woulda put money on that been a woman.

 

[ellewoods]

I hope the EU doesnt try and punish you. Its in no ones interest to punish the UK it hurts you and it hurts the rest of us. Doing so would be petty in my opinion and it wouldnt stop other countries from leaving the EU anyway.

 

[Fez]

Boris has shown absolutely no leadership since the result was announced - neither he nor Gove looked particularly happy at their press conference (compare to Nigel's demeanour) and all he's said regarding the plan for Brexit is "lets not be too hasty now". That to me is a man who was not entirely convinced of the position he took.

That to you. Now why I am I not inspired?

 

[balkan tiger]

This was the original 1970s deal. It goes on for pages and pages. I just picked out the bits restricting Norway's practical ability to enter into free trade agreements with other countries.

Everything to do with the EU goes on for pages and pages. A story I heard when i was involved with EU things was that there are about 50 words in the lords prayer, about 200 words in the american declaration of independence and over 22,000 words in the EU regulations on transporting duck eggs by road. All translated into every conceivable member country language.

 

[Kempton]

I hope the EU doesnt try and punish you. Its in no ones interest to punish the UK it hurts you and it hurts the rest of us. Doing so would be petty in my opinion and it wouldnt stop other countries from leaving the EU anyway.

EU would love to punish us elle, but they won't, because it isn't in their best interests.

 

[ellewoods]

EU would love to punish us elle, but they won't, because it isn't in their best interests.

Our punishment will be extremely tolerable, you are forced to call Football Soccer from now on.

 

[Edelman]

It cant be a worse punishment than watching this ****ing Euro 2016.