Off Topic BREXIT

[GLP]

BMW and Mini sold about 2.2m cars last year and about 10% of those came to the UK, not 20%.

A falling pound will make retailing those cars into this country a less appealing proposition for the Germans, who'll face having to either heavily subsidise the cost and thus reduce margin or increase the retail prices in this market. They're not going to stop wanting to trade but they'll almost certainly accept a lower volume in this market and seek to cover the shortfall in emerging markets.

I've read 20% somewhere. I'll have to check, unless you work for BMW?

 

[originalminority]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

Ha ha, thats how many of us have felt having lived our lives during the liberal zeitgeist, now bring me my bow of burning gold, bring me my arrows of desire...

 

[Bengals Tiger]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

Kinnell!

To be or not to be-that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And, by opposing, end them.

Hopefully you'll recover enough to watch England. Chin up!

 

[Quill]

Chilcot better not be swept under the rug as a result of this ****.

 

[Hull 3-1 Liverpool]

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2...u-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet.

I've seen even worse than this today. I'd try and avoid remain pages on Facebook, my goodness I've never seen so much oddly anti democratic crying, and democracy is something the left (including myself) is supposed to champion.

 

[Building 7]

BBC ;
HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market.
Who cares ? ...Heinz moved their HQ from London to Netherlands 3 years ago in order to save a couple of percent in corp. tax making a thousand or so redundant in the process. Corporations restructuring is nothing new. The Bank's CEO's can jump off Tower Bridge for all I care.

 

[C'mon ref]

Not sure if it's been mentioned up to now but both Hull AND the East Riding both voted to leave, blimey we agreed on something for once. Oh and as I have already mentioned before it seems like our Chancellor has gone awol.

 

[trouserpress]

Ever since I reach the age of 18 I have voted in every general election and every referendum I could vote in.

Well done. That's not universally the case though

BBC ;
HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market.
Who cares ? ...Heinz moved their HQ from London to Netherlands 3 years ago in order to save a couple of percent in corp. tax making a thousand or so redundant in the process. Corporations restructuring is nothing new. The Bank's CEO's can jump off Tower Bridge for all I care.

Who cares? Sums up the whole leave campaign really. Yah yah economists we're not listening, we're doing it anyway.

 

[Building 7]

Well done. That's not universally the case though

Who cares? Sums up the whole leave campaign really. Yah yah economists we're not listening, we're doing it anyway.

Your sentiment is probably right , but don't ever be fooled that the system is run for our benefit.....it's not. Economists do get it wrong sometimes.

 

[merchantman5]

And therein dies your argument. The people have felt disassociated with consecutive governments of both colours who have lied, lied and then lied a bit more. This referendum has shown conclusively the huge disparity between London, Scotland and the rest of the country. There is life outside of London, unfortunately the Remain bus/ sorry chauffeur driven car never got out of the M25. So if you ask what good has come out of the Brexit result, its the fact that things will change for the better for Joe Public.

No they wont, believe me they wont.

 

[Building 7]

Well done. That's not universally the case though

Who cares? Sums up the whole leave campaign really. Yah yah economists we're not listening, we're doing it anyway.

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[Barchullona]

Well done. That's not universally the case though

Who cares? Sums up the whole leave campaign really. Yah yah economists we're not listening, we're doing it anyway.

So we act according to what the economists want? The same economists that those on the left and the Labour Party in particular have told us have been getting it wrong for years and the cause of most of the ills which have befallen this country.

 

[Barchullona]

Your sentiment is probably right , but don't ever be fooled that the system is run for our benefit.....it's not. Economists do get it wrong sometimes.

Sometimes? Define sometimes.

 

[merchantman5]

BMW and Mini sold about 2.2m cars last year and about 10% of those came to the UK, not 20%.

A falling pound will make retailing those cars into this country a less appealing proposition for the Germans, who'll face having to either heavily subsidise the cost and thus reduce margin or increase the retail prices in this market. They're not going to stop wanting to trade but they'll almost certainly accept a lower volume in this market and seek to cover the shortfall in emerging markets.

BMW only sold 140,000 cars in the UK last year.

 

[Building 7]

Well done. That's not universally the case though

Who cares? Sums up the whole leave campaign really. Yah yah economists we're not listening, we're doing it anyway.

Most of the public are just fed up with the ruling classes year after year hitting us over the head with big stick saying it's good for us.

 

[Barchullona]

BMW only sold 140,000 cars in the UK last year.

Add on the VWs, Audis and Mercs and I think the Germans would be more worried about being the subject of tariffs than we would on our cars being sold there. Statements from some in Germany support they view.

 

[petersaxton]

There's a professor of law who had a video which was doing the rounds before the vote. He was pro-Remain.
He discussed sovereignty. He said people who said the UK wasn't sovereign were wrong. He said the UK was a sovereign nation and the EU wasn't sovereign. Technically he was right but what he didn't say was that in order to join and maintain membership of the EU the UK had to give up a lot of that sovereignty in favour of the EU and the ECJ.
I would advise people to be very wary of trusting people just because they are a professor or an economist.

 

[Charon]

many of the Shadow Cabinet will leave today now that Benn's gone

 

[Building 7]

Sometimes? Define sometimes.

I can't , i've only just woken up ! Let me think about it.

 

[petersaxton]

Sometimes? Define sometimes.

whenever they give an opinion?