Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%

  • Total voters
    193
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You aspire to having a limited understanding of things.

Maybe not doing anything whilst relying on others to look after you is your thing.

You are a waste of time. If you are interested enough to keep asking stupid question, you should be interested enough to bother educating yourself.

Here I will give you a bit of a start.

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Now **** off and let me watch the football.
 
I don't think any of us in the real world took any notice of those going to San Franscisco with flowers in their hair or others of that ilk, we had too much to deal with at ground level, y'know mortgages, even jobs, to worry about. As ever it was the pop culture who were mainly the protagonists of that movement, Lennon's bed in and the such in fact even though I wore hipsters and coloured shirts, and a with kipper ties, I still worked and paid my way even if I had a Kevin Keegan perm :)

The ones espousing that way of life rode off into the sunset, many becoming merchant bankers, advertising executives etc whilst a lot of the poor saps who had sat there taking in all their bullshit ended up either wrecked or living in trailer parks.

I still have photos of myself from that era which make my kids collapse in convulsions ofblaughter. Though I never stooped so low as to have a perm.<laugh> Annoying looking at the long hair and the arguments it caused at school, with my old man and at work (even though in the schooldays it was not that long) to think I let my lads have their hair the way they wanted and they shaved it all off aged about 16 and have been the same ever since. No fun nowadays as there is nothing to rebel against in those respects.
 
You are a waste of time. If you are interested enough to keep asking stupid question, you should be interested enough to bother educating yourself.

Here I will give you a bit of a start.

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Now **** off and let me watch the football.

No one is stopping you watching the football, you free spirit, you.

Anything else written by six year olds you want to share with us?
 
Great, it's reassuring to know that all visa-holders are counted out, there are no snide pazzys and no one gets smuggled in through lorries!

Phew ! Whatever was all that fuss about?
Most of which could be done using existing laws if the border control agency was funded and staffed appropriately. Although I know of very few countries (North Korea) that actually keep track of visa-holders and hunt them down if they don't leave. Most settle for deporting over-stayers and banning them from ever coming back.
 
Boris has shown absolutely no leadership since the result was announced - neither he nor Gove looked particularly happy at their press conference (compare to Nigel's demeanour) and all he's said regarding the plan for Brexit is "lets not be too hasty now". That to me is a man who was not entirely convinced of the position he took.

Before the start of the campaign Boris wrote two feature columns for The Telegraph - one for Leave and one for Remain - and only decided on print deadline which way he wanted to go.

FACT.
 
You vote for an MP local to you, not a PM.

I always bang on about this. Anyone who bases their GE vote on the present leader of whichever party is a ****wit. They can change their leader the week after the GE if they want and we'd have a different PM. I've even heard people complain that a party leader's name isn't on the ballot paper <doh>
 
I must say that I'm enjoying the screeching from the Remain folk.

Latest **** to say it's not fair is David Lammy MP who demands an 'end to this madness' and that Parliament ignore the non binding referendum.
It's smashing the way these self-regarding high-flying London folk have been brought to heel by common sense from the shires and have been unable to handle it.
At long last they get to be on the ****ty end of the stick when there is a national decision instead of always been on the winning side.
It's been said before and it will be said again - THEY DO NOT LIKE IT UP 'EM.
 
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I don't think he did. I think it was a cynical position taken in the belief that Remain would win, but Cameron would be undermined enough for a leadership contest and Boris would have positioned himself as prime candidate for leadership of the Tory party.

Now it's a poisoned chalice, as whoever is leader has to negotiate us out of Europe and will end up being blamed by all sides. No-one will be satisfied with what we come out with - the Remainers who never wanted to leave in the first place and the Brexiters who do not get everything they thought they voted for.

Exactly.
 
Seriously? I posted it off my phone and in a poor place but the gist is easily taken. Have you got exclusive insight to what any negotiated restrictions will be?

I have no idea what restrictions will be applied to the new arrangement, but I know what can't be allowed, as per the scenario I detailed.
 
And George Osborne is still mute, the pound and stock market has fallen and still no word from our Chancellor.
 
What we do need to do is make civics & politics part of the National Curriculum. How many people can explain how both this country and the EU runs, how laws are made, what are rights actually are? When you vote, what are you voting for, how does it work? If people don't understand even at the basic level what they are voting for, then we are going to be prey to the most "popular" arguments, and not debate around the facts.

E.g. Could anyone here define the European Commission, the European Council, the European Parliament, The Council of Ministers and the Court of Justice of the European Union? And what the UK's role/contribution is to each of them?

Agree with this. When I talk to people from different generations they learnt a lot of the same weird stuff as us at school. Everyone in England is an expert on meanders and tributaries yet everyone leaves school knowing nothing about tax, employment, the real world. People I know who are still at school are surprised to learn that adults don't get 6 weeks off in the summer. Some are surprised to hear that Africa isn't a country. But they could tell you all about sine, cosine and tangent graphs because apparently that's important for them.
 
I must say that I'm enjoying the screeching from the Remain folk.

Latest **** to say it's not fair is David Lammy MP who demands an 'end to this madness' and that Parliament ignore the non binding referendum.
It's smashing the way these self-regarding high-flying London folk have been brought to heel by common sense from the shires and have been unable to handle it.
At long last they get to be on the ****ty end of the stick when there is a national decision instead of always been on the winning side.
It's been said before and it will be said again - THEY DO NOT LIKE IT UP 'EM.
You do understand, don't you, that for many of us who voted Remain and are dismayed at the result, it is because we genuinely believe this is a bad thing for the country. And we are frustrated as we believe that many of the things that people who voted Brexit think they are getting, are simply not going to happen.

Eg half of all immigration to the UK is from outside the EU, so already totally within our own ability to control and not the EU's fault. A net migration of 188,000 non-EU people last year (http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics ), so even if we stopped all EU immigration tomorrow, we would still be above the target net immigration from all countries (100,000 was Cameron's pledge) and it is still not the EU's fault.
 
Was shocked to see Hull vote overwhelmingly leave. City of culture? Hmmm you won't get what you voted for. The whole referendum has been a disgrace and has truly highlighted how disgusting politics is. Propaganda is well and truly alive and people are as easily manipulated today than they were in 1933 Germany. Very sad day. Several brexit maps going back on promises already. I hope those that voted that way will hold those politicians accountable when none of what you voted for happen as it will be those that voted brexit worst effected.
 
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