Off Topic BREXIT

AS I remember, the last attempt at getting people to agree to electoral reform failed quite badly, so good luck trying to get that through given the current mess that's now got to be addressed.

 

Yes i know but should this be the case ??

 

Trying to influence the situation? controlling it polarising things.

 

Seen similar sentiments expressed in general by Remain voters.
Why would anyone trust foreigners to run our affairs in our interest better than Britons?
The lack of self-belief and self-loathing in the Remain camp is startling.

 

I'll have an icecream cone with raspberry syrup on but hold the raspberry syrup.

 

You don't know what you are talking about.

If you think you do, why not tell me where you think it has been tried and shown to be bollocks?

I was describing direct democracy.. It has rarely been tried in practice primarily as the established powers fear it so mutch. Whenever it has been established, it is promptly stamped upon by state powers who fear their own populations realising that they don't need to tolerate the dictatorship of an exploitative state governed by a self serving elite. .

See Spain 1936 when the establishment of no state, direct democracy resulted in improvements in many aspects of life for the population before it was wiped out by the totalitarianism of Franco. Ably assisted by the Nazis while the rest of the so called democracies of Europe turned a blind eye to the slaughter.

 

Seriously? I posted it off my phone and in a poor place but the gist is easily taken. Have you got exclusive insight to what any negotiated restrictions will be?

 

Again, seriously? You think Boris did not want to win? Let's see what happens.

 

Which party was in charge in the USSR, China, Cambodia...

Awaits the usual, ah but that wasn't communism cop out. It is what you get when a load of people seine power in the name of communism. Maybe their followers were easily lead, lied to and deceived?

 

I didn't agree. You quoted me and asked a direct question. I answered it. The rest is bollocks, opinion or not. I only read the first sentence as I'm busy.

 

He looked like a scared rabbit caught in the headlights yesterday.
Lets hope sense is seen and his own members dont elect him.

 

Maybe he thinks we are in a country where you vote for a president not a party.

 

That sounds familiar

 

I don't think he did. I think it was a cynical position taken in the belief that Remain would win, but Cameron would be undermined enough for a leadership contest and Boris would have positioned himself as prime candidate for leadership of the Tory party.

Now it's a poisoned chalice, as whoever is leader has to negotiate us out of Europe and will end up being blamed by all sides. No-one will be satisfied with what we come out with - the Remainers who never wanted to leave in the first place and the Brexiters who do not get everything they thought they voted for.

 

We have elections for bis? What about the lesbians, gays and transgenders? Or asexuals?

 

I've been trying to remember the times before all of this EU thing, 1970/71 when I travelled to Holland, Germany and Spain and all I can remember is that we had to show our passports at their immigration points, in the case of Germany we travelled by train from Rotterdam and there was a change of guard at the borders so it was show passports to the Dutch then German people. Then it was duty frees with only so much booze and cigs that could be taken home as they were cheaper, but today its totally different as the booze is as cheap here as it is there so we don't bother to bring any home now. As for cigs, well I'm a none smoker anyway so it doesn't bother me and what I did bring home was for other people, so in essence that is all I can remember pre-EU times, if that's the way to say it. There was still the E111 form, a piece of paper for medical stuff if you needed it and that was it.

 

Sounds very much like what we already have and have always had.

 

Proper border controls in and out?

Bring it on !

 

You mean to say that not every MP wasn't elected with 100% of the vote!

Anyone who votes and doesn't know who the other candidates were or who got in doesn't deserve any further votes. Seems you are one of those who votes for a party because your dad did. And his dad before him...Who the candidates are being irrelevant. Explains how the likes of Prescott keep getting elected.

 

You can wait on then.

I despise state communism as much as I do state capitalism.

Are you really as dim as you seem?

Direct democracy means no one in charge. No state. The examples you give were state dictatorships. But I doubt even then that their populations were as gullible, or as uninformed as you.

No gods, no state, no masters.... get it?