Off Topic BREXIT

[petersaxton]

I doubt we will see a Labour government again if Scotland has a referendum and they vote for independence. A lot of Labour MP's, who were in the last Labour government, where from porridge land. This was born out at the last election by the fact that the SNP took nearly all the seats that were previously held by Labour, thus giving the conservatives an overall majority.

I'm more than happy for the SNP boat to sail and pay their own taxes to finance their benefits while they wait to be admitted to the EU. Unfortunately, I feel that if there is another referendum enough Scots will recognise it is financial suicide to cut of the stream of money flowing from England.

 

[petersaxton]

No, they don't " have" to do anything. We don't even have a constitution. However given the momentous events, the chaos in the leasership of both main parties and the fact MPs are now out of step with the apparent wishes of the public I think we'll see a general election within six months.

We DO have a constitution! It's just not a written constitution.

 

[petersaxton]

I have no objection to the result in fact I welcome it. See my sig.

Glad you aren't upset by my insults. I need have no guilty conscience then when I say stick your enormous IQ up your arse..

You seem to have an obsession about IQs. I've never mentioned my IQ and when I asked a question about IQ tests you panicked and thought I was asking about your IQ. Says it all really.

 

[Tobes]

I wish people could look into the reality rather than the headline.

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/0...s-in-2013-14-and-well-above-old-all-time-low/
"All post vote attention has been focused on the fall in the pound against the dollar rather than the surge in UK government bond prices or the good performance of the FTSE 100 since February. It is true that the pound hit a ten year low against the dollar of $1.36 on Friday, compared to $1.38 in January 2009 (when we were firmly in the EU). Over the years we have been in the EU the pound has been up and down against the dollar in a very wide range of $1 to $2. Much of the recent slide of the pound against the dollar has been part of a general strengthening of the dollar and a weakening of the Euro, yen and pound as well. The more immediate moves can be put down to market responses to the vote.

The pound against the Euro gives us a different picture, and arguably a more relevant one on Brexit. The big plunge in the pound occurred during the banking crash. The pound fell from a high of Euro 1.51 in January 2007, to just Euro 1.03 in December 2008, a fall of one third. From Euro 1.14 in July 2013 the pound rose to Euro 1.43 in July 2015, before gently declining as the Euro started to strengthen more broadly. On 23 June before the referendum result the pound stood at Euro 1.31. Yesterday it closed at Euro 1.23, still almost 20% above its previous low.

A modestly lower pound will be welcomed by many exporters. I will keep people posted next week to see how it settles down."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...ve-campaigner-goes-viral-Brexit-Facebook-post
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Ms Evans wrote on her Facebook page: "A Prime Minister resigned. The pound plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground.

"But then the pound rallied past February levels. And the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4 per cent up on last Friday, it's best performance in four months."

The reality ?

I posted the reality, it's called a simple fact love

You've posted the meaningless words of a Tory snake, who was firmly in the Leave camp.

Btw the slide only halted after Carney pledged £250BN to support the banks.

 

[petersaxton]

You're avoiding the simple point I was making.

The EU have told us to get in with it, no they can't force a timetable but they can continue to beat that drum.

Cameron said we'd leave the day after.....he's volleyed the can into October and has no intention of pressing the button.

If you think that there's going to be some cross party acceptance of responsibility for pressing the button, then you've got rocks in your head. The other parties will leave this sitting firmly and squarely at the feet of the Tories. The Tories who granted the vote, the PM who's since said **** it, and done one, leaving who exactly to do the deed?

Everybody - except you - seems to understand it will be the person who wins the Conservative Party leadership race.

 

[petersaxton]

I don't often agree with Tobes but on this he is right.

If parliament ignore the referendum we remain a member of the EU and there's nothing Brussels can do about it.

The question is will the next leader of the Tory Party invoke Article 50, call a second referendum, call a general election to put it further into the long grass or ignore the referendum altogether. I've said what I think. The political establishment is looking at ways to avoid invoking Article 50. Cameron's given them time to think how that can be achieved.

Article 50 will be invoked this year. I've said what I think.

 

[petersaxton]

I think you're wrong on this. Despite what Benn said today, New Labour will be looking to put the national interest first, they and the political establishment think that is remaining in the EU. The problem they have is how that can be achieved, but they will give every assistance to achieve that.

Corbyn will be saying the British people have voted and we have to respect that. In my opinion that is why we are seeing the current revolt in the shadow cabinet.

Anybody who refuses to following the referendum result will lose their seat at the next election - except maybe David Lammy!

 

[petersaxton]

You could be right there, we'll see how it pans out. My gut still thinks it'll go to a GE, but we'll see.

I don't agree on Corbyn, I think his contribution during the referendum campaign was extremely poor. He's viewed as weak by the electorate and is thus unelectable. Labour realise this and I think his days are numbered.

Labour MPs realise this but I think he has plenty of support among the ordinary members.

 

[Obadiah]

So half the shadow cabinet resigning in protest at his leadership shows his popularity then?

Gotcha

Seems you don't 'do' reality mate

Half the shadow cabinet are Blairites, the majority of the individual members aren't. The Labour Party didn't represent the majority of its voters because they didn't support leave. The Blairites cannot recreate the wider Party in their image so Corbyn will be re-elected unless he goes quietly, which he has given no indication of.

 

[Obadiah]

Anybody who refuses to following the referendum result will lose their seat at the next election - except maybe David Lammy!

Don't be silly.

 

[petersaxton]

Fractured Tory and Labour parties are another dividend of Brexit, the whole 2 party system has failed and needs bringing down.

The referendum has produced a result and the Conservative Party will come together due to their belief in democracy.
Sufficient Labour Party members also believe in democracy so the the referendum result will get acted upon.

I was in favour of the transferable vote which, although linking an MP to a constituency, reduced the power of the party. But the referendum on voting put paid to that idea. However much reform is preferable it is not going to happen.

 

[petersaxton]

Please stop the silly questions and get better informed before you try to join in adult conversations.

Of course it's not. No dictatorship is acceptable imo.

It seems like your definition of "silly question" is something you can't answer.

You seem incapable of producing an answer to how the Leave/Remain decision could be decided in a democratic way.

 

[Tobes]

Half the shadow cabinet are Blairites, the majority of the individual members aren't. The Labour Party didn't represent the majority of its voters because they didn't support leave. The Blairites cannot recreate the wider Party in their image so Corbyn will be re-elected unless he goes quietly, which he has given no indication of.

63% of Labour voters opted for remain, so that's were your argument sort of dies mate.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

 

[The greengrocer]

Can someone start a petition to ask the remainers to STOP WHINGING And take the result?

 

[originallambrettaman]

37,000 young people signing a petition on a night out by mobile phone sounds reasonable to me.

The only thing kids in night clubs are discussing at 3.00am, is how to split the bar bill and whether the slightly agitated person that just sat with them is on Ketamine or not.

 

[Obadiah]

Boris Johnson is glad that Cameron resigned. Anybody who was in the Leave campaign would be willing to invoke article 50 when the time is right. Why shouldn't they be?

It could mean the break-up of the United Kingdom, possibly a united Ireland, possibly the loss of Gibraltar, the opt outs for the City of London torn up over-night, a fee of £300 million a day to join a free trade agreement, unlimited immigration from the EU, unrestricted access to in-work benefits for EU citizens, the EU telling us what we can and cannot export to them under a free trade agreement and what goods will be excluded from any free trade agreement with the rest of the world.

That is what the next Tory leader is likely to sign. Unless they get support from the Labour Party they are likely to face electoral meltdown if they bring home a deal like that.

 

[petersaxton]

The reality ?

I posted the reality, it's called a simple fact love

You've posted the meaningless words of a Tory snake, who was firmly in the Leave camp.

Btw the slide only halted after Carney pledged £250BN to support the banks.

He's not writing opinions he's writing facts.
Of course the Bank of England made clear that speculators wouldn't get anywhere. That's one of their roles. More sensible people people know that there is no need to panic when the markets get it wrong. Give people time to calm down and come back to rationality.

 

[petersaxton]

Don't be silly.

OK, Lammy as well!

 

[Tobes]

He's not writing opinions he's writing facts.
Of course the Bank of England made clear that speculators wouldn't get anywhere. That's one of their roles. More sensible people people know that there is no need to panic when the markets get it wrong. Give people time to calm down and come back to rationality.

The markets hate uncertainty.

We've voted to leave and Cameron has walked away from actioning it, leaving the job to his successor in October at the earliest. So we face 4 months of complete political inertia. If you think that's a recipe for anything other than market turmoil then you're delusional

 

[petersaxton]

It could mean the break-up of the United Kingdom, possibly a united Ireland, possibly the loss of Gibraltar, the opt outs for the City of London torn up over-night, a fee of £300 million a day to join a free trade agreement, unlimited immigration from the EU, unrestricted access to in-work benefits for EU citizens, the EU telling us what we can and cannot export to them under a free trade agreement and what goods will be excluded from any free trade agreement with the rest of the world.

That is what the next Tory leader is likely to sign. Unless they get support from the Labour Party they are likely to face electoral meltdown if they bring home a deal like that.

That's why most of the above nonsense is not going to happen.
The only thing that has the slightest chance of happening is that the SNP will want another referendum. The interesting thing is this time the English will want Scotland to leave and the Scots will realise they are incapable of supporting themselves. The EU doesn't want another basket case either.