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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%

  • Total voters
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Maybe you do. I offer a little more respect to other people's intelligence.

Leave campaigners only voted Leave because of Johnny Foreigner, right?

The relevance to my post of that repost was zero. It therefore doesn't warrant a reasoned response.
 
Your opinions seem to be upside down with reality. I'll grant you that there will be uncertainty in markets but that is normal when there is great change. Any leader worth their salt rises to the occasion. Whining, wailing and throwing tantrums is for inadequates.
Wave the flag mate, it'll all be sound eh.

Right oh, I get it, how silly of me to even think there might be a massive price to pay economically for this decision.

The pound hitting a 30 year low against the dollar on day 1 was nothing more than a figment of my imagination.

Cool, I'm glad I popped by.
 
Pedantry alert.

Obviously that's the process, but only a knuckle head would deny that at a GE the people are voting for who they consider to be the best person to lead the country. Kinnock failing to beat a highly unpopular Tory Govt is a classic example.
They are not. The choice is between the leaders of the various political parties at the time. Only Labour and Conservative leaders have a realistic chance of becoming PM. But to pretend they are the best two people to lead the country is naive.
 
The time will never be right for the Leave campaign leaders to fulfil the "promises" they made. Immigration will be unaffected; there will not be £350 million per week available to spent on the NHS; etc.etc. It will be interesting to see how Johnson gets out of the mess he's landed himself in!
When the new Conservative leader is elected they will invoke article 50. They will do it this year. I don't believe they can wait for elections in other countries.
 
They are not. The choice is between the leaders of the various political parties at the time. Only Labour and Conservative leaders have a realistic chance of becoming PM. But to pretend they are the best two people to lead the country is naive.
So you're seriously trying to suggest that at a GE the populous don't have as a prime factor in there decision making the leadership qualities of the prospective PM?
 
You seem to be indicating that you just liked saying "Direct Democracy" but without having a clue what it means or how to put it into practice in the issue under discussion.

And I thought it was you who didn't know what it was.

There are currently 24 U.S. states with constitutionally-defined, citizen-initiated direct democracy governance components practising seven distinct forms of direct democracy within their legislature.

But they are merely attempts to ameliorate the excesses of representative democracy that dominates the country and the individual states. A sort of half way house which does not remove the overriding dictatorship of the state. Not really interested myself but a statist like you might be. If you ever take those blinkers of..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_direct_democracy_in_the_United_States

Beyond that there are numerous variations on the theme. Ancient Athens, Switzerland, the Zapatistas for eg.

As I said earlier, do your own research.

I am not here to supplement your stunted education.
 
Governments are elected on their manifestos. Brexit wasn't in their manifesto, a referendum on brexit was. Although you could possibly argue that doesn't matter since the people were asked and have chosen leave. Whatever, it's a real mess.
 
Wave the flag mate, it'll all be sound eh.

Right oh, I get it, how silly of me to even think there might be a massive price to pay economically for this decision.

The pound hitting a 30 year low against the dollar on day 1 was nothing more than a figment of my imagination.

Cool, I'm glad I popped by.

I wish people could look into the reality rather than the headline.

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/0...s-in-2013-14-and-well-above-old-all-time-low/
"All post vote attention has been focused on the fall in the pound against the dollar rather than the surge in UK government bond prices or the good performance of the FTSE 100 since February. It is true that the pound hit a ten year low against the dollar of $1.36 on Friday, compared to $1.38 in January 2009 (when we were firmly in the EU). Over the years we have been in the EU the pound has been up and down against the dollar in a very wide range of $1 to $2. Much of the recent slide of the pound against the dollar has been part of a general strengthening of the dollar and a weakening of the Euro, yen and pound as well. The more immediate moves can be put down to market responses to the vote.

The pound against the Euro gives us a different picture, and arguably a more relevant one on Brexit. The big plunge in the pound occurred during the banking crash. The pound fell from a high of Euro 1.51 in January 2007, to just Euro 1.03 in December 2008, a fall of one third. From Euro 1.14 in July 2013 the pound rose to Euro 1.43 in July 2015, before gently declining as the Euro started to strengthen more broadly. On 23 June before the referendum result the pound stood at Euro 1.31. Yesterday it closed at Euro 1.23, still almost 20% above its previous low.

A modestly lower pound will be welcomed by many exporters. I will keep people posted next week to see how it settles down."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...ve-campaigner-goes-viral-Brexit-Facebook-post
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Ms Evans wrote on her Facebook page: "A Prime Minister resigned. The pound plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground.

"But then the pound rallied past February levels. And the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4 per cent up on last Friday, it's best performance in four months."
 
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I wish people could look into the reality rather than the headline.

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/0...s-in-2013-14-and-well-above-old-all-time-low/
"All post vote attention has been focused on the fall in the pound against the dollar rather than the surge in UK government bond prices or the good performance of the FTSE 100 since February. It is true that the pound hit a ten year low against the dollar of $1.36 on Friday, compared to $1.38 in January 2009 (when we were firmly in the EU). Over the years we have been in the EU the pound has been up and down against the dollar in a very wide range of $1 to $2. Much of the recent slide of the pound against the dollar has been part of a general strengthening of the dollar and a weakening of the Euro, yen and pound as well. The more immediate moves can be put down to market responses to the vote.

The pound against the Euro gives us a different picture, and arguably a more relevant one on Brexit. The big plunge in the pound occurred during the banking crash. The pound fell from a high of Euro 1.51 in January 2007, to just Euro 1.03 in December 2008, a fall of one third. From Euro 1.14 in July 2013 the pound rose to Euro 1.43 in July 2015, before gently declining as the Euro started to strengthen more broadly. On 23 June before the referendum result the pound stood at Euro 1.31. Yesterday it closed at Euro 1.23, still almost 20% above its previous low.

A modestly lower pound will be welcomed by many exporters. I will keep people posted next week to see how it settles down."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...ve-campaigner-goes-viral-Brexit-Facebook-post
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Ms Evans wrote on her Facebook page: "A Prime Minister resigned. The pound plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground.

"But then the pound rallied past February levels. And the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4 per cent up on last Friday, it's best performance in four months."

Can't be bothered to read all that but loving the sources...John Redwoods diary and the Daily Express. And remainers get criticised for quoting independent economists!
 
And I thought it was you who didn't know what it was.

There are currently 24 U.S. states with constitutionally-defined, citizen-initiated direct democracy governance components practising seven distinct forms of direct democracy within their legislature.

But they are merely attempts to ameliorate the excesses of representative democracy that dominates the country and the individual states. A sort of half way house which does not remove the overriding dictatorship of the state. Not really interested myself but a statist like you might be. If you ever take those blinkers of..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_direct_democracy_in_the_United_States

Beyond that there are numerous variations on the theme. Ancient Athens, Switzerland, the Zapatistas for eg.

As I said earlier, do your own research.

I am not here to supplement your stunted education.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
So, one form of "direct democracy" is hold referendums. Unfortunately when the vote doesn't go your way you object to it.
You still haven't been able to come up with how the Leave/Remain issue could have been decided to your satisfaction using "direct democracy".
NB Notice how I don't get upset by your attempted insults. It is common for people who are struggling to explain something to resort to insults.
 
Governments are elected on their manifestos. Brexit wasn't in their manifesto, a referendum on brexit was. Although you could possibly argue that doesn't matter since the people were asked and have chosen leave. Whatever, it's a real mess.
Governments change all the time - what about "reshuffles"?
A PM might change and they don't have to call a general election.
 
Can't be bothered to read all that but loving the sources...John Redwoods diary and the Daily Express. And remainers get criticised for quoting independent economists!
I'm not asking you to judge based on the source. I much prefer people who are willing to read an analysis and arrive at their own conclusions. You don't seem to be one of those people.
 
Governments change all the time - what about "reshuffles"?
A PM might change and they don't have to call a general election.
No, they don't " have" to do anything. We don't even have a constitution. However given the momentous events, the chaos in the leasership of both main parties and the fact MPs are now out of step with the apparent wishes of the public I think we'll see a general election within six months.
 
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In my day discussions were about your chances of pulling and who with when in a nightclub. References to things like football and whose round it was. Glad I was young in those less sophisticated times.
When I went out I just got on with things. Nowadays I see youngsters going out and ignoring each other while staring at their phone. I know which I prefer.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
So, one form of "direct democracy" is hold referendums. Unfortunately when the vote doesn't go your way you object to it.
You still haven't been able to come up with how the Leave/Remain issue could have been decided to your satisfaction using "direct democracy".
NB Notice how I don't get upset by your attempted insults. It is common for people who are struggling to explain something to resort to insults.

I have no objection to the result in fact I welcome it. See my sig.

Glad you aren't upset by my insults. I need have no guilty conscience then when I say stick your enormous IQ up your arse..
 
I'm not asking you to judge based on the source. I much prefer people who are willing to read an analysis and arrive at their own conclusions. You don't seem to be one of those people.
Well I don't read the Express out of principal. I believe they incite hatred with their anti immigration stance. Plus they are financial backers of UKIP. Certainly not clicking on that link, I might catch something. Sure it was interesting though.
 
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