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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Jun 21, 2016.

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How will you be voting?

  1. Remain

    89 vote(s)
    46.1%
  2. Leave

    104 vote(s)
    53.9%
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  1. petersaxton

    petersaxton Well-Known Member

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    I don't know. Do you know?
     
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  2. petersaxton

    petersaxton Well-Known Member

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    You seem to be indicating that you just liked saying "Direct Democracy" but without having a clue what it means or how to put it into practice in the issue under discussion.
     
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  3. petersaxton

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    I would suggest that somebody will get elected as leader of the Conservative Party and become Prime Minister and then decide to invoke article 50 at the suitable time.
    Why do you think there will be an unelected PM?
     
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    Pardon me for using a straight forward vernacular of the scouse variety.

    I note you ignored the salient part of my logic in denouncing the fraud - that pro remain Boris switched sides purely to further his political career, and instead chose to post his ****ing CV <laugh>

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-column-back-remain_uk_576b9119e4b0b1f1704fea34
     
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  5. petersaxton

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    Boris Johnson is glad that Cameron resigned. Anybody who was in the Leave campaign would be willing to invoke article 50 when the time is right. Why shouldn't they be?
     
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    Elected by the people via a GE with a manifesto that has been chosen as being the right way forward, do you not understand the difference?

    Cameron wasn't elected with a Brexit manifesto, and he's chosen to walk rather be the man who pulls the trigger.

    The new PM will be unelected by the populous and face the task of invoking article 50....
     
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    So, can you explain how you think this "Direct Democracy" thing you favour works? You realised you didn't have a clue before. Let's see if you can enlighten us.
     
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    at the last election, all the Labour MPs that were voted in, were voted in on the basis of Ed Miliband's manifesto and Ed Miliband's policies - when Corbyn came in he's changed that manifesto and if he was honourable and principled he should ask all the Labour MPs to resign their seats and call a bye-election in their constituencies and give the electorate the opportunity to vote on his agenda - so far he's been voted in by numerous £3 a member last minute supporters and never had any of his policies signed onto by the electorate - in fact he's no more than a cuckoo in the nest
     
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  9. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    We don't elect a PM, we elect an MP, local to our own area. The political parties choose their leaders. The ruling party leader becomes PM.

    It's a simple process.
     
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    Hahaha he looked positively ashen on Friday when the reality had dawned on him.

    Cameron has royally ****ed him. I firmly believe that Johnson didn't expect Leave to win, anyway, but that's by the by, as he'd have expected Cameron to pull the trigger and carry on until the end of the parliament, leaving him to take over with his predecessor having carried the can.

    Now he faces the prospect of political suicide. You probably won't admit the economic **** storm that's going to unfold due to the market uncertainty and then the reality that follows Brexit, but I'm sure Boris is fully aware. Even Farage has admitted there'll be a recession. The man who resides in the chair when that button is pushed will be committing political Hari Kari
     
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    So you can't justify your "bumbling" adjective?
     
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    Clueless, as always. I'm a little disappointed you didn't blame Alex Bruce.
     
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    I think he was torn between the two sides. He spent some time thinking about it and decided to vote Leave. I understand a lot of people were unsure and then weighed up the alternatives before making their decision. Are you saying that isn't allowed?
     
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    Pedantry alert.

    Obviously that's the process, but only a knuckle head would deny that at a GE the people are voting for who they consider to be the best person to lead the country. Kinnock failing to beat a highly unpopular Tory Govt is a classic example.
     
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    so its ok for Labour to change their policies completely without having any mandate and without giving the electorate the chance of approving those changes - no doubt if the Tories had gone back on what they said, you'd be the first to react
     
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    I dont think you understand our system of democracy. The voters elect MPs. The MPs and their members elect their party leader and the party with a majority forms the government and the leader becomes the PM.
     
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  17. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    Maybe you do. I offer a little more respect to other people's intelligence.

    Leave campaigners only voted Leave because of Johnny Foreigner, right?
     
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    The Torres have, time & time again. And the Lib Dems, let's not leave them out. It's how it works.
     
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    The time will never be right for the Leave campaign leaders to fulfil the "promises" they made. Immigration will be unaffected; there will not be £350 million per week available to spent on the NHS; etc.etc. It will be interesting to see how Johnson gets out of the mess he's landed himself in!
     
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    Your opinions seem to be upside down with reality. I'll grant you that there will be uncertainty in markets but that is normal when there is great change. Any leader worth their salt rises to the occasion. Whining, wailing and throwing tantrums is for inadequates.
     
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