Off Topic BREXIT

[petersaxton]

What was that incredibly hilarious sobriquet you used for Obama again?

I don't know. Do you know?

 

[petersaxton]

Too late for that don't you think?

I would have thought that someone with a brain the size of a planet would already know about the alternatives before so adamantly deciding on their own stance.

Apparently not.

Do your own research.

You seem to be indicating that you just liked saying "Direct Democracy" but without having a clue what it means or how to put it into practice in the issue under discussion.

 

[petersaxton]

No Tory will want to be the man who steps forward as an unelected PM and presses the button on article 50.

Cameron has snookered Johnson by immediately walking away from it and refusing to be the man who puts his name to it.

I would suggest that somebody will get elected as leader of the Conservative Party and become Prime Minister and then decide to invoke article 50 at the suitable time.
Why do you think there will be an unelected PM?

 

[Tobes]

First you come up with an adjective that has a definition such as "acting in a confused or ineffectual way; incompetent". I would suggest Boris, who won scholarships to Eton and Balliol and got a 2:1 in Classics from Oxford, and then has had a career as a first class journalist and London Mayor as well as being an MP, shouldn't be called the adjective you used. But you seem incapable of justifying yourself. You then decide to use a meaningless noun. Your opinion seems to be worthless on a grand scale.

Pardon me for using a straight forward vernacular of the scouse variety.

I note you ignored the salient part of my logic in denouncing the fraud - that pro remain Boris switched sides purely to further his political career, and instead chose to post his ****ing CV

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-column-back-remain_uk_576b9119e4b0b1f1704fea34

 

[petersaxton]

No Tory will want to be the man who steps forward as an unelected PM and presses the button on article 50.

Cameron has snookered Johnson by immediately walking away from it and refusing to be the man who puts his name to it.

Boris Johnson is glad that Cameron resigned. Anybody who was in the Leave campaign would be willing to invoke article 50 when the time is right. Why shouldn't they be?

 

[Tobes]

I would suggest that somebody will get elected as leader of the Conservative Party and become Prime Minister and then decide to invoke article 50 at the suitable time.
Why do you think there will be an unelected PM?

Elected by the people via a GE with a manifesto that has been chosen as being the right way forward, do you not understand the difference?

Cameron wasn't elected with a Brexit manifesto, and he's chosen to walk rather be the man who pulls the trigger.

The new PM will be unelected by the populous and face the task of invoking article 50....

 

[petersaxton]

What a ****ing waste of an expensive education you are.

Please don't try to speak for me.

So, can you explain how you think this "Direct Democracy" thing you favour works? You realised you didn't have a clue before. Let's see if you can enlighten us.

 

[Charon]

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The Labour party MP's don't seem to represent the views of the people who voted for them and for Corbyn, think they are going to implode just like the Tories. Scary times, vacuums are often filled by extremes of right or left which is no good either way.

at the last election, all the Labour MPs that were voted in, were voted in on the basis of Ed Miliband's manifesto and Ed Miliband's policies - when Corbyn came in he's changed that manifesto and if he was honourable and principled he should ask all the Labour MPs to resign their seats and call a bye-election in their constituencies and give the electorate the opportunity to vote on his agenda - so far he's been voted in by numerous £3 a member last minute supporters and never had any of his policies signed onto by the electorate - in fact he's no more than a cuckoo in the nest

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Elected by the people via a GE with a manifesto that has been chosen as being the right way forward, do you not understand the difference?

Cameron wasn't elected with a Brexit manifesto, and he's chosen to walk rather be the man who pulls the trigger.

The new PM will be unelected by the populous and face the task of invoking article 50....

We don't elect a PM, we elect an MP, local to our own area. The political parties choose their leaders. The ruling party leader becomes PM.

It's a simple process.

 

[Tobes]

Boris Johnson is glad that Cameron resigned. Anybody who was in the Leave campaign would be willing to invoke article 50 when the time is right. Why shouldn't they be?

Hahaha he looked positively ashen on Friday when the reality had dawned on him.

Cameron has royally ****ed him. I firmly believe that Johnson didn't expect Leave to win, anyway, but that's by the by, as he'd have expected Cameron to pull the trigger and carry on until the end of the parliament, leaving him to take over with his predecessor having carried the can.

Now he faces the prospect of political suicide. You probably won't admit the economic **** storm that's going to unfold due to the market uncertainty and then the reality that follows Brexit, but I'm sure Boris is fully aware. Even Farage has admitted there'll be a recession. The man who resides in the chair when that button is pushed will be committing political Hari Kari

 

[petersaxton]

Pardon me for using a straight forward vernacular of the scouse variety.

So you can't justify your "bumbling" adjective?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

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at the last election, all the Labour MPs that were voted in, were voted in on the basis of Ed Miliband's manifesto and Ed Miliband's policies - when Corbyn came in he's changed that manifesto and if he was honourable and principled he should ask all the Labour MPs to resign their seats and call a bye-election in their constituencies and give the electorate the opportunity to vote on his agenda - so far he's been voted in by numerous £3 a member last minute supporters and never had any of his policies signed onto by the electorate - in fact he's no more than a cuckoo in the nest

Clueless, as always. I'm a little disappointed you didn't blame Alex Bruce.

 

[petersaxton]

Pardon me for using a straight forward vernacular of the scouse variety.

I note you ignored the salient part of my logic in denouncing the fraud - that pro remain Boris switched sides purely to further his political career, and instead chose to post his ****ing CV

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-column-back-remain_uk_576b9119e4b0b1f1704fea34

I think he was torn between the two sides. He spent some time thinking about it and decided to vote Leave. I understand a lot of people were unsure and then weighed up the alternatives before making their decision. Are you saying that isn't allowed?

 

[Tobes]

We don't elect a PM, we elect an MP, local to our own area. The political parties choose their leaders. The ruling party leader becomes PM.

It's a simple process.

Pedantry alert.

Obviously that's the process, but only a knuckle head would deny that at a GE the people are voting for who they consider to be the best person to lead the country. Kinnock failing to beat a highly unpopular Tory Govt is a classic example.

 

[Charon]

Clueless, as always. I'm a little disappointed you didn't blame Alex Bruce.

so its ok for Labour to change their policies completely without having any mandate and without giving the electorate the chance of approving those changes - no doubt if the Tories had gone back on what they said, you'd be the first to react

 

[petersaxton]

Elected by the people via a GE with a manifesto that has been chosen as being the right way forward, do you not understand the difference?

Cameron wasn't elected with a Brexit manifesto, and he's chosen to walk rather be the man who pulls the trigger.

The new PM will be unelected by the populous and face the task of invoking article 50....

I dont think you understand our system of democracy. The voters elect MPs. The MPs and their members elect their party leader and the party with a majority forms the government and the leader becomes the PM.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Pedantry alert.

Obviously that's the process, but only a knuckle head would deny that at a GE the people are voting for who they consider to be the best person to lead the country. Kinnock failing to beat a highly unpopular Tory Govt is a classic example.

Maybe you do. I offer a little more respect to other people's intelligence.

Leave campaigners only voted Leave because of Johnny Foreigner, right?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

so its ok for Labour to change their policies completely without having any mandate and without giving the electorate the chance of approving those changes - no doubt if the Tories had gone back on what they said, you'd be the first to react

The Torres have, time & time again. And the Lib Dems, let's not leave them out. It's how it works.

 

[Irememberwaggy]

Boris Johnson is glad that Cameron resigned. Anybody who was in the Leave campaign would be willing to invoke article 50 when the time is right. Why shouldn't they be?

The time will never be right for the Leave campaign leaders to fulfil the "promises" they made. Immigration will be unaffected; there will not be £350 million per week available to spent on the NHS; etc.etc. It will be interesting to see how Johnson gets out of the mess he's landed himself in!

 

[petersaxton]

Hahaha he looked positively ashen on Friday when the reality had dawned on him.

Cameron has royally ****ed him. I firmly believe that Johnson didn't expect Leave to win, anyway, but that's by the by, as he'd have expected Cameron to pull the trigger and carry on until the end of the parliament, leaving him to take over with his predecessor having carried the can.

Now he faces the prospect of political suicide. You probably won't admit the economic **** storm that's going to unfold due to the market uncertainty and then the reality that follows Brexit, but I'm sure Boris is fully aware. Even Farage has admitted there'll be a recession. The man who resides in the chair when that button is pushed will be committing political Hari Kari

Your opinions seem to be upside down with reality. I'll grant you that there will be uncertainty in markets but that is normal when there is great change. Any leader worth their salt rises to the occasion. Whining, wailing and throwing tantrums is for inadequates.