A Flag poll

[DMD]

One minor issue for consideration.

There have been understandable issues finding a home for the two large flags, which have now been resolved as best they can. So dropping to the 6x4 flags is a smart move.

But if I have read the threads right, there is nowhere identified for these smaller 6x4 flags to be displayed either. Is that likely to result in a flashpoint when they get draped over other people's seats or over advertising sites? I've recently had a complaint from a fan raised with me, about his banner being removed by stewards when it only partially obscured an advert at the KC - are we not risking heading in the same direction with these banners if we have no certainty about how they will be displayed on match day?

I'm sorry to raise a question without offering a solution, but it is perhaps a matter worthy of some thought.

Cheers Al, it's a reasonable question and it's a good opportunity for me to clarify and hopefully calm some doubts.

Consideration has been given to that very question, perhaps I should have put it more, but I have pointed out on several replies that the banners will need to be displayed with due consideration. It's the same as any other flags that get displayed in the KC. The away fans manage it.

So far, the people that have volunteered to look after a flag are more than aware of this, and have their own spot they can display it in.

 

[DMD]

Yes, Sir.

I hold the view that after having to live through the many months of this bitter exchange between owners and supporters, nothing should be done to afford him any action he could twist as being supportive. I still hold that view.

Is that your 'critical' part?

It's been answered several times. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it and I understand why you (and others) would feel that way. However, some on here hold a different view of the situation, which I would hope others equally respect. This can be twisted, especially if others do the twisting for him, but the stated aim of the flags is crystal clear. Hull City fans supporting the Hull City team. Anyone implying anything beyond that is wrong.

The whole ethos is to support the team and leave the more political side of it to those more involved. Most posters seem able to recognise and respect tthat view.

The number of votes seems to show there are a reasonable number interested. The donations will decide how far it goes.

You have your opinion, you've voiced it. Now I hope you respect the opinion of those Hull City fans that hold an alternative view, because some flags are already being made.

 

[DMD]

DMD if it really is possible to have what we want on a banner in the stadium, here is an offer for you.

I am prepared to pay the whole cost of a banner which reads WE ARE HULL CITY if this banner could replace the Steve Bruce one for one home game this season.

Edit should have said a banner the same dimensions as the Steve Bruce one. As i already know i can take a banner / flag up 6 x 4 into the ground with whatever i want on it ( within the existing rules )

If that is what the board wanted, and could argue it fitted with the ethos behind the banners, send your cash and it will be done.

In my opinion, it's not in the spirit of the banners, as it's clearly just a protest. The banners are to support the team, more, no less. It's self evident who Steve Bruce and the legends represent.

That is what this board, not me or the club decided. If anyone wants to generate alternative banners, I respect their right to do that, as most seems to respect the right of people to recognise Hull City heros In Hull City's ground and beyond.

 

[AlRawdah]

Cheers Al, it's a reasonable question and it's a good opportunity for me to clarify and hopefully calm some doubts.

Consideration has been given to that very question, perhaps I should have put it more, but I have pointed out on several replies that the banners will need to be displayed with due consideration. It's the same as any other flags that get displayed in the KC. The away fans manage it.

So far, the people that have volunteered to look after a flag are more than aware of this, and have their own spot they can display it in.

Hmm. You say that consideration has been given, but I'm not sure you offer a solution beyond saying "it's up to the individual that looks after the banner". That ignores the possibility that those people may hang a banner in a place they believe to be considerate, but other fans or stewards disagree. In the latter case, there is a current example of this happening at the KC.

If you were able to get a statement from the club about where these flags could go, and an assurance that the stewards would respect that, the potential issue could be headed off.

 

[AlRawdah]

A banner saying "We Are Hull City" is not in the spirit of supporting the club? I'm not sure many people thought that the last time a banner with those words was displayed in the ground. Each to their own.

 

[DMD]

A banner saying "We Are Hull City" is not in the spirit of supporting the club? I'm not sure many people thought that the last time a banner with those words was displayed in the ground. Each to their own.

The issue with the banner you're talking about was more the way it was done, plus the size. Quite a few City fans complained about it.

It falls in with your earlier question about location.

Saying we are Hull City obviously supports the team, the other flags say that, and also elaborate on why we're Hull City and a little it of what it means.

Many people seem to be able to see and support that. The ones that don't seem to want others to use the club name and banner to make a point to the chairman rather than to support the team.

 

[Happy Tiger]

So Balks wants to remove the banner this forum agreed on and paid for with his own protest banner?

A banner only he wants with a banner many on here wanted?



Fez is demanding people stop doing anything, at all, that could be construed as offering the owners support? So, like going to games?

Good luck with that Fez.

Balks, if you want a giant Hull City AFC banner, why don't YOU speak to James Mooney, directly, then YOU arrange for somewhere for it to go in the ground after you've got it made? Bearing in mind the challenges finding spots with the 2 existing new FANS ones, and the reason Dutch has suggested we drop to 6x4s? Nowt to stop you doing your own thing at all, just don't try and usurp the majority fans views on here whatever stupid stunt you try to pull. If you do...

Oh don't tell me you're just all hot air and bollocks and looking for a rejection of your idea, without actually having to do it? You must be an awesome poker player with that type of bluff.



Let us know what James tells you.



Fez, I agree, those as allegedly passionate about wanting Allam out should stop going to games. All games. Not going to happen though.

 

[DMD]

It's incredible that some seem intent on disrupting a show of support for Hull City legends in order to make some sort of protest.

If you want to make a protest, make one. I reckon many of those supportive of the banners would respect and even support that, but you should respect those that want to make a gesture of gratitude to the team, past and present, with no hidden agenda other than that gesture.

 

[AlRawdah]

The issue with the banner you're talking about was more the way it was done, plus the size. Quite a few City fans complained about it.

Fair enough if that's your view. But that's not what you said before. Which is why I commented.

I don't think many people support that view either, that the banner was displayed in the wrong way of it was too big. It got into the ground, so clearly not everyone in authority thought it too big. But what's done is done.

 

[Happy Tiger]

It's incredible that some seem intent on disrupting a show of support for Hull City legends in order to make some sort of protest.

If you want to make a protest, make one. I reckon many of those supportive of the banners would respect and even support that, but you should respect those that want to make a gesture of gratitude to the team, past and present, with no hidden agenda other than that gesture.

That's exactly how I feel about it. I don't understand why the usual mob aren't descending on this with their usual gusto.

 

[Charon]

So Balks wants to remove the banner this forum agreed on and paid for with his own protest banner?

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so 'we are Hull City' is a protest banner - you're possibly the stupidest **** I've ever come across - you remind me of Alec Guinness in Bridge over the River Kwai - he got all confused about whose side he was on

 

[DMD]

Hmm. You say that consideration has been given, but I'm not sure you offer a solution beyond saying "it's up to the individual that looks after the banner". That ignores the possibility that those people may hang a banner in a place they believe to be considerate, but other fans or stewards disagree. In the latter case, there is a current example of this happening at the KC.

If you were able to get a statement from the club about where these flags could go, and an assurance that the stewards would respect that, the potential issue could be headed off.

It's been given as much consideration as it can be at this point in time. It's part of why we suggested the size. As people suggest spots and volunteer to help, extra, more specific consideration is given. We're not ignoring anything. We're looking for solutions to any specific issues that may arise. The club have helped with that.

There's already a statement from the club. It's the same policy that everyone that takes a flag in is covered by.

If you've a spot in mind, let us know and it too can be given consideration.

What about in the future making big ones for outside, or on the concourse? They've been considered and the club are interested.

 

[DMD]

Fair enough if that's your view. But that's not what you said before. Which is why I commented.

I don't think many people support that view either, that the banner was displayed in the wrong way of it was too big. It got into the ground, so clearly not everyone in authority thought it too big. But what's done is done.

What is to be done about what?

We have flags that are of a size to go in the ground, people dis playing them are aware they need to respect other fans and meet ground rules, the club like them so much, they want to give everyone a replica.

Some look for problems, others look for opportunities and solutions.

 

[DMD]

so 'we are Hull City' is a protest banner - you're possibly the stupidest **** I've ever come across - you remind me of Alec Guinness in Bridge over the River Kwai - he got all confused about whose side he was on

Which team do the existing and suggested banners represent?

 

[Fez]

Is that your 'critical' part?

It's been answered several times. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it and I understand why you (and others) would feel that way. However, some on here hold a different view of the situation, which I would hope others equally respect. This can be twisted, especially if others do the twisting for him, but the stated aim of the flags is crystal clear. Hull City fans supporting the Hull City team. Anyone implying anything beyond that is wrong.

The whole ethos is to support the team and leave the more political side of it to those more involved. Most posters seem able to recognise and respect tthat view.

The number of votes seems to show there are a reasonable number interested. The donations will decide how far it goes.

You have your opinion, you've voiced it. Now I hope you respect the opinion of those Hull City fans that hold an alternative view, because some flags are already being made.

The only reason there needs be no further conversation between us is that your responses, to me and others, are disingenuous and deliberately evasive. This is a forum, not a banner promotions board and all opinion is relevant if the occasion calls for it; I respond to remarks and offer my opinion when I feel it is appropriate, not when you do.

When you feel comfortable trying to take some form of moral high-ground by telling Balkan Tiger (and, therefore, the board) that a flag that says 'We Are Hull City' is not supportive, but a protest, then that is the time it is clear you have lost account of your value-judgement in this matter. That single remark is exactly the kind of supportive nonsense that comes from progressing this project at a time of critical importance to the club's identity. You have made it very clear with your considered remark that this project does impact on the beliefs of some, or all, anti-name-changers, so it will inevitably fall into question. That is as much your doing as it is mine or anyone else's.

 

[Charon]

Which team do the existing and suggested banners represent?

ive no problem with any of it - I was just laughing at the resident happy turd calling a hull city banner a protest banner

 

[Fez]

So Balks wants to remove the banner this forum agreed on and paid for with his own protest banner?

A banner only he wants with a banner many on here wanted?



Fez is demanding people stop doing anything, at all, that could be construed as offering the owners support? So, like going to games?

Good luck with that Fez.

Balks, if you want a giant Hull City AFC banner, why don't YOU speak to James Mooney, directly, then YOU arrange for somewhere for it to go in the ground after you've got it made? Bearing in mind the challenges finding spots with the 2 existing new FANS ones, and the reason Dutch has suggested we drop to 6x4s? Nowt to stop you doing your own thing at all, just don't try and usurp the majority fans views on here whatever stupid stunt you try to pull. If you do...

Oh don't tell me you're just all hot air and bollocks and looking for a rejection of your idea, without actually having to do it? You must be an awesome poker player with that type of bluff.



Let us know what James tells you.



Fez, I agree, those as allegedly passionate about wanting Allam out should stop going to games. All games. Not going to happen though.

More made up nonsense, so not surprising Dutch likes it.

 

[originallambrettaman]

What is to be done about what?

We have flags that are of a size to go in the ground, people dis playing them are aware they need to respect other fans and meet ground rules, the club like them so much, they want to give everyone a replica.

Some look for problems, others look for opportunities and solutions.

Getting all defensive and dismissive when you should be listening the fans.

 

[DMD]

The only reason there needs be no further conversation between us is that your responses, to me and others, are disingenuous and deliberately evasive. This is a forum, not a banner promotions board and all opinion is relevant if the occasion calls for it; I respond to remarks and offer my opinion when I feel it is appropriate, not when you do.

When you feel comfortable trying to take some form of moral high-ground by telling Balkan Tiger (and, therefore, the board) that a flag that says 'We Are Hull City' is not supportive, but a protest, then that is the time it is clear you have lost account of your value-judgement in this matter. That single remark is exactly the kind of supportive nonsense that comes from progressing this project at a time of critical importance to the club's identity. You have made it very clear with your considered remark that this project does impact on the beliefs of some, or all, anti-name-changers, so it will inevitably fall into question. That is as much your doing as it is mine or anyone else's.

Evasive? Have a look at how many replies you've had. Ask a specific question, I'l give you a specific answer.

You made your points when people were deciding on the banner. People decided otherwise.

You seem to be missing the very important point that these aren't my banners. I didn't decide to do them or decide what was on them. I ended up involved by sheer fluke of a reply to a comment on a thread.

Others felt a similar show of support to Steve Bruce would be good. He mentioned it in his interview about renewing his contract. It's nice to think that this order played some small part in his decision .

That spirit continued, and people felt a gesture to Hull City players, past and present would be good. People decided on the size, and the design as well as the wording from suggestions made.

It would be nice if you could show the respect to your fellow Hull City fans that they are showing to the Hull City team.

You voiced your opinion, on this others disagree. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but pushing it on this issue is disrespectful to the Hull City fans that feel differently and what to show the players some gratitude.

 

[Fez]

It's incredible that some seem intent on disrupting a show of support for Hull City legends in order to make some sort of protest.

If you want to make a protest, make one. I reckon many of those supportive of the banners would respect and even support that, but you should respect those that want to make a gesture of gratitude to the team, past and present, with no hidden agenda other than that gesture.

What nonsense are you talking about now? You have spent money on banners that are not effective, but you are perfectly capable of spending further money on other banners, effective or not. How the he'll are discussions on NOT606 disrupting that? I don't know about anyone else but I am not blocking the PayPal account, I am certainly not obstructing Mauled or the manufacturer and you can crack on to your heart's content, as you will anyway. Again you substitute protest for supportive; how Allamesque.