Off Topic BREXIT

[Chazz Rheinhold]

You can't trump The Daily Mail and Peter Hitchins.

Peter Hitchens is absolutely brilliant Charlie. I hugely admire and repsect his views.

My mrs was undecided until she saw summat about the snout in the trough Kinnocks. She's an OUT now.

 

[Fez]

Not sure at all what your point is.

You think it's defeatist to challenge attempts to be ****ed by either and that choosing which one you want to be ****ed by isn't.

Hope you have some condoms handy.

?? You seemed to accept being ****ed either way, I didn't pick up on any element of opposition. I'll look back.

 

[Charlie1]

Peter Hitchens is absolutely brilliant Charlie. I hugely admire and repsect his views.

My mrs was undecided until she saw summat about the snout in the trough Kinnocks. She's an OUT now.

Your post has made me die a little inside Chazz.

 

[Muffinthegoat]

Politicians come and go. They are accountable and we have the opportunity to vote them out, that means Cameron, Farage, Boris or Corbyn. We have no say whatsoever on the faceless, unelected beurocrats in Brussels. Can anyone on here name them? Explain how they got to their position of power? Tell us how to remove them if we don't like their policies?

 

[Old Tige]

?? You seemed to accept being ****ed either way, I didn't pick up on any element of opposition. I'll look back.

It was just one line, not a manifesto.

I wouldn't be allowed, by either the mods or the law to advocate here what form my own opposition may take.

But take it as said, I rule nothing out when it comes to protecting my own arsehole.

 

[City Man]

I'm sure he'll say "hey you can't do that" plenty of times but he can't really do anything about it. The local election results suggest that he isn't unelectable, if I remember correctly he did better than Blair did at first.

I've seen nothing to suggest that Labour under Corbyn have an earthly of regaining the millions of working class voters that have abandoned the party in the last ten years. They are a party of zero credibility with no broad-based appeal to anyone outside their little circle of smug metropolitan Islington types.

 

[Cortez91]

In or out regardless, so much money has been wasted on the campaigns, TV debates, advertising, etc. I know some is donated by supporters etc but we could just have a best of seven competition including 5-a-side football, a poetry recital, minigolf and a bake off.

 

[Barchullona]

You can't trump The Daily Mail and Peter Hitchins.

Peter Hitchens, to give him his correct name, is far more honest than Toynbee and the left wing middle-class cabal on the Guardian. He expresses his contempt for Cameron and what the Tories have become unlike the left wing lickspittles on the Guardian.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

I've seen nothing to suggest that Labour under Corbyn have an earthly of regaining the millions of working class voters that have abandoned the party in the last ten years. They are a party of zero credibility with no broad-based appeal to anyone outside their little circle of smug metropolitan Islington types.

Whats this got to do with the EU referendum, this type of comment is why the no politics rule on here is a good one, don't want to read looney lefts and rabid righties mouthing off at each other thanks, would go to the Daily Heil or Guardian comments for that

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Peter Hitchens, to give him his correct name, is far more honest than Toynbee and the left wing middle-class cabal on the Guardian. He expresses his contempt for Cameron and what the Tories have become unlike the left wing lickspittles on the Guardian.

Same thing with this

 

[Fez]

And the USA would claim that their system is democracy while you ridicule it as inferior

I consider both to be a sham.

My way would be for an informed populace to take direct responsibility for their own governance and not submissively doff their cap's to some supposed elite who as history has shown, act only in their own interests.

That's not very popular I know, but you did ask.

Yes, I asked.

Where did I say the American system was inferior? Both systems are democratic, yet flawed.

My point was that the argument Ellewod threw in was nonsense. I still do; Castro reasoned it, I don't need to. The other element of my point was that it amused me for an American to be telling us how to conduct our governance when his own process struggles to have credibility in the country it aims to serve.

 

[Hull 3-1 Liverpool]

Interesting what George Galloway has to say here. Most people are suspicious that Corbyn isn't quite being honest with us with regards to his EU stance, does this perhaps confirm it?

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[Barchullona]

And the USA would claim that their system is democracy while you ridicule it as inferior

I consider both to be a sham.

My way would be for an informed populace to take direct responsibility for their own governance and not submissively doff their cap's to some supposed elite who as history has shown, act only in their own interests.

That's not very popular I know, but you did ask.

So you get a vote and it's a sham but direct responsibility for their own governance is the way for an informed populace? By informed do you mean that the information leads them to the same conclusions as you? What if the informed populace differs in its thought as to what should be done? How do you sort that out? Arm wrestling? A mass brawl with the last man standing the one who decides?

 

[City Man]

Whats this got to do with the EU referendum, this type of comment is why the no politics rule on here is a good one, don't want to read looney lefts and rabid righties mouthing off at each other thanks, would go to the Daily Heil or Guardian comments for that

Try reading the progress of the thread then you might understand the context.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Peter Hitchens, to give him his correct name, is far more honest than Toynbee and the left wing middle-class cabal on the Guardian. He expresses his contempt for Cameron and what the Tories have become unlike the left wing lickspittles on the Guardian.

Exactly. He says what he believes in and detests Cameron for the sham he is and always has been.
I may not agree with some of the things he says but i respect someone who has the balls and believes in what he is saying.
He also wiped the floor with the knobhead R Brand.

 

[Barchullona]

Same thing with this

I was just putting a woefully ill informed Charlie right.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Try reading the progress of the thread then you might understand the context.

I read the thread, you are making politically based comments with no reference to Brexit and why you would want out of the EU, stop derailing Chazzes nice thread

 

[Fez]

It was just one line, not a manifesto.

I wouldn't be allowed, by either the mods or the law to advocate here what form my own opposition may take.

But take it as said, I rule nothing out when it comes to protecting my own arsehole.

You're on your own, then.

 

[ellewoods]

Yes, I asked.

Where did I say the American system was inferior? Both systems are democratic, yet flawed.

My point was that the argument Ellewod threw in was nonsense. I still do; Castro reasoned it, I don't need to. The other element of my point was that it amused me for an American to be telling us how to conduct our governance when his own process struggles to have credibility in the country it aims to serve.

Our system is clearly flawed and yours is also flawed. I doubt any system that governs any large group of people could be anything other than flawed. Having a conversation about you all in no way consitutes anything about our system. That is something you are just adding to your argument to deflect from the one I pointed out. If you want to have a convo about Texas or Northern California wanting to leave than thats a convo we can have. My original point was perfectly reasonable.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Interesting what George Galloway has to say here. Most people are suspicious that Corbyn isn't quite being honest with us with regards to his EU stance, does this perhaps confirm it?

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Very hard to comment on this without making a politically biased comment but I agree Corbyn probably isn't sharing his real views before the referendum for better or worse depending on which stance you take