Off Topic BREXIT

I think you can make a case for in or out of the EU without making it into a political slanging match, I'm voting out which would probably surprise most people who know me in real life

 

Warning this salmon may contain fish! Warning these nuts may contain nuts!

 

Classic Project Fear rhetoric.....vote IN otherwise we will be isolated militarily.
There are also unsubstantiated rumours of a long term project for a Pan European army.

 

Isolated how? Your the biggest military power in the EU and you have the US with you.

 

NATO and the EU are separate entities in any case.

 

As far as military relationships go I think Trump is a bigger threat to that for you then leaving the EU would be. Trump wants to change the relationship we have with NATO.

 

Although I'm just about leaning towards leaving, this is one of the best videos I've seen on the subject and has given me room for thought.

 

For the record the UK has led the world in workers rights.

Leaving the EU won't cause a collapse.

Like staying in won't help the French ones currently on strike.

This is a classic project fear lie.

 

I made up my mind in the seventies and that is to get out of this corrupt bunch of so called politicians. I walked past a shop in Brid today which had Brexit themed posters all over it. One stood out for me when a poster had a picture of the Queen and that 'square head'. Merkyl on it. Underneath it said "which one would you prefer" Easy decision for anyone to make. Please let the 'LEAVE' win.

 

Oh. Forgot to say, Brexit will tear the Tories apart, not make them stronger.

 

It isn't. Under Conservative rule workers rights are already being eroded. If not protected by the EWTD they will be eroded further.

 

I'm not - hence my last sentence which you have ignored. It is a fact, though, that it is the right wing of the Tory party and the far right groups that are mainly supporting the Leave campaign. I have never been a xenophobic "Little Englander" which is how I regard these people and I certainly aren't going to become one now!!

 

Every cloud eh?

 

Some people planning on voting to leave are racists, simple as, however, plenty of people voting to stay aren't especially great either, plenty of "I'm alright Jack" sorts. You can't decide on which way to vote based on which overall set of people are less ****y though, you need to make your own decision, do what you feel is right. That's what I'm doing, and either way it'll feel very wrong! Aren't the Tories clever, getting us all wound up and divided by all this.

 

I hope you're right but I can't see that.

 

Better to be like Gordon Brown and lie about holding a referendum?

 

My dad's a rabid leave supporter. His reasoning is based entirely on spite filled hate.

My teenage kids want to stay, so I vote for the next generation, not the previous one.





And also there's Boris, Gove, Farage and Galloway.

 

never thought i'd agree so much with you

but i do.

OUT

 

Assuming you're right, an in vote with Corbyn as the alternative will guarantee years more Tory rule, which will see further erosion.

 

"Little Englander" smacks of the dog-whistle self-loathing of some of the snobbier among us.
Hates: our Empire, our 'chavs' (dog whistle for working class who don't know their place), our cuisine, our weather and our nuance-free worldview.
Paradoxically, these snobby ****s reveal their ignorance of all things foreign. Most countries in Europe are far more inward-looking and vainglorious than us. Kleine Osterreichen or petits Francais anyone?