Match Day Thread West Ham v Liverpool

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Will we not not lose?


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Holy ****, a scouser who isn't blind to the truth!

Look, I'm not getting all arsey because the likes of Watford and west Ham had the temerity to wipe the floor with us. They're mid-table sides like ourselves (performing better though) and in both cases I tipped them to beat us. What I'm pissed about is that from a very early stage it was clear our one attacking option, be it because he was instructed to follow Collins around the pitch or did it of his own volition, just wasn't working. We didn't adapt to that on the field (we have no real leader now since gerrard went) and our manager froze and did nothing. I hope he's including himself with those he's angry with.

as to our 'false dawns' of whacking Chelsea, City and Soton - well that's what reasonably decent mid-table sides sometimes do. Stoke, Soton themselves, Villa a few seasons ago (and Newcastle), or going back to Fulham and Charlton a decade ago - all these teams were capable of pulling off a few stellar results a season, and that's where I think we're at. we also have to accept that the flipside is that almost any team can beat us. I expect klopp to improve things, in time, but neither I nor most Liverpool fans I know think we have a divine right any more to top four, let alone challenging for the league, simply based on our badge. Again, what I was frustrated about is that klopp showed no more nous than Rogers or Hodgson yesterday when we were being hosed, and I think that needs to be said.
 
Had Klopp been available in the summer I think they'd have got him then, but he wanted a break and was then no obvious target with Ancelotti not available either.

Think it it was a case of give it a few months and say to klopp let us know when you're ready and we'll get you in.

I hear you, but sacking Rodgers when we did has done us no favours. We've been in catch up mode ever since.

Ancelotti! That's him, couldn't think of his bloody name the other day! <doh>
 
neither I nor most Liverpool fans I know think we have a divine right any more to top four, let alone challenging for the league, simply based on our badge. Again, what I was frustrated about is that klopp showed no more nous than Rogers or Hodgson yesterday when we were being hosed, and I think that needs to be said.

We have no devine right to the top four, no, but the majority still expect it and have indeed waited 25 years (now 26) for that blasted title, so if Leicester just walk up and take it in May...! It still doesn't mean you shouldn't have the ambition. Otherwise, why get pissed off with how it's going atm?

That's why Rodgers had to go, that's why Hodgson went and Klopp will go as well if it doesn't pan out but he's only been in the job a few months. He'll get the same time Rodgers got. It's only fair. If by then we see no improvement, fair do's. Until then, it is, as you say, what it is, we have what we have, until something changes.
 
The bit I took exception to was this:

...which is why I highlighted it.
Why is a 6 foot player better than a shorter one- leaving aside the fact that the latter is Joe Allen of course?
Physicality is not directly proportional to height- far from it.

Point taken. Clyne is strong enough but short.

Sterling can cope in prem but can also be dealt with if a side can't play him in.

Aspas was short, slight and average paced as a result he was rubbish
 
Point taken. Clyne is strong enough but short.

Sterling can cope in prem but can also be dealt with if a side can't play him in.

Aspas was short, slight and average paced as a result he was rubbish
Strong players with a low centre of gravity are really difficult to knock off the ball.
I think you have to be exceptionally talented to hold your own if you don't have much physical presence, but you don't need all that much strength if you know how to use what you have got.
Sterling surprised me because he had as much oomph as a day old chick to begin with, but learned how to use the strength he did have to his advantage. If you're lightweight there's little point in going into a shoulder charge against someone 3 stone heavier, but speed means you can get your body in the way of the ball and either win it or draw the foul.

Having said all of that- as individuals, I don't think our players are as bad as is being made out - but they are nowhere near a cohesive unit atm.
 
Lallana is a 10 stone weakling.

Contrast that to a proper athlete type.

Sterling worked hard at being strong even though he was a short arse. He had pace to burn to make a difference too.

What's lallana got exactly that cant be closed down and bullied by a merely competent defender?

Same for Firmino right now.. defenders should be scared to tackle these guys cost it'll be a free against or shoulder them cos they'll get it right back.

If I were up against lallana I'd just shoulder him over all the time cos he's not fast enough to get away from me and too weak to mind it... and not clever enough to draw fouls as he's too honest.

You need physicality to compete first and have the right to then play your game.

Might be easier to let Lallana have the ball and let him Cruyff turn 16 times and then just pick up the loose ball.
 
The bit I took exception to was this:

...which is why I highlighted it.
Why is a 6 foot player better than a shorter one- leaving aside the fact that the latter is Joe Allen of course?
Physicality is not directly proportional to height- far from it.

Tell that to Mascherano! Short guy but what a b*stard!