I have asked that question in my posts above Tbf it’s a question we can’t answer - we can only make assumptions I can say I am certain that a pen would have been awarded despite the rule saying it wasn’t a pen and we would all be on here going in deep on the same topic lol but just cause I think it would be given doesn’t mean it would have been I have watched it back and I think Thiago knew what he was doing - only my thoughts As I say I know it wasn’t a pen but say Thiago did do it deliberately That would be very interesting in terms of future decisions imho
Yep mean a penalty goal like a penalty try I think the Suarez incident was the one that really highlighted the stupidity of the rule That’s happened before and it will happen again Everyone says the old ‘it all evens itself out’ Well it didn’t Felt for Ghana - without cheating that was a goal end of no debating Instead a player had to take a pen - not right that That’s not a tough decision whether it was going in or not That Ghana team could have been the first African team through and who can say if they could have gone to final A terrible terrible end to their story - and unfair. However I also understand that we can’t make the game perfect so it’s a double edged sword on the grassroots stuff I have tried all sorts of weird crap lol Atm they still just. About listen to me I reckon I have 12 months tops left of that lmao
It's been an interesting discussion and I see where you are coming from with regard to unfairness and trying to put that right. For me, awarding a goal when the ball didn't actually land in the net could be the start of a slippery slope. Some situations are really unfair but the game would lose something if you gave a goal as punishment for handling etc. where an actual goal wasn't scored. It would open up a can of worms especially in this VAR age. VAR was supposed to make things fairer but it's arguably had the opposite effect. Can you imagine the amount of 'goals' awarded unfairly if they changed the penalty rule again. I'm not a fan of messing around with the rules too much. It's supposed to be a simple game. The less controversial changes, the better.
Totally understand and appreciate that argument The Ghana one is crazy though The ball was going in the net - nothing was stopping it and instead a player has to take a pen ? my grassroots team played in the cup (and this has now happened twice playing the same team) This time we were 0-0 with 30seconds to go - our forward has gone through - keeper has come way out of his box - the striker has lobbed him perfectly and as the ball has gone over his head the keeper has reached up and caught the ball deliberately Free kick awarded - player not carded as junior grass roots apparently We went out on pens - The ability to give a penalty goal will stop players doing that as there is nothing to be gained if the penalty goal is there as a threat Before any rules were changed I would like to see the refs mic’d up I think the quiet and lack of accountability from the refs is deafening I am certain one day things will come out like what has come out on the continent about refs Once they have to give reasons on the spot it becomes very difficult to lie imho I do not think Managers should be interviewed straight behind a game unless they are free to say what they want without prejudice or recrimination the ref has just made a honking decision in the 97th minute of a game that should have had 3 mins tops injury time someone goes upto manager and says what did you think of X It’s mental bring the refs out - they are supposed to be the calm impartial ones - have them explain without this cover up tactic - and very quickly standards will improve imho then we won’t possibly have to change anything in the beautiful game
in the end the ref decided its not a pen if he decided it was then we'd be the ones whinging. var was never correcting a ref for that. its entirely subjective due to the rules. a couple seasons back a ball hit of an arm was 100% pen and everyone hated it. gomez got given one against him for nothing cross going nowhere. we either let refs decide and do so in the glare or gollums up and down the country or we return to that unwanted scenario.
That's a shame about your team. Gives an insight into why you feel strongly about it. I agree with everything you've said about the refs.
Tbf I have always felt strongly about it But there are lots of them in football - I understand not wanting the changes but the game we watch in the leagues isn’t jumpers for goalposts and bragging rights It’s someone life - someone’s meal So if they can get most of it right I think I would be happy Like I say best start before any changes, for me , would be let’s hear what the refs are saying and more importantly thinking so many people want to hear what the refs are thinking it’s impossible to understand why it isn’t happening and that’s when you start to add 2+2 and get 5 the other thing I think nearly everyone is agreed about is - the rules around making a back …
Not really. Players approach the ref and shout obscenities at him all the time. The mics will pick it up and it'll have extensive ramifications on televised football. The commentators already have to apologise if you may have picked up something a bit naughty from the touchline mics. I'd like to hear what goes on in the refs' heads as much as anyone, but a lot of work to prevent footballers acting like barbarians will have to happen beforehand.
Easy fix. Apply the rules and book/send players off for foul and abusing language. Allow only captains to speak to the referees about decisions.
But it is, and has been since time immemorial. That needs to be fixed first, and I don't think it'll be all that easy.
I've said often that if I was a ref we'd be down to 7-a-side in no time - but can you imagine the uproar if it was implemented? Don't misunderstand me - I'd love to see it happen, but the habit is entrenched across the world and I see no serious attempt being made to change it.
Don’t think it’ll be like that. You put out announcements. You to to all the teams prior to the season. You make everyone in the world know that refs will be mic’d up (we don’t need to have it played live straight off, but have it mic’d so the recordings are there if needed) and that any abusing language will be punished. The players will have no excuses then. You’ll get players booked, everyone will cheer and say brilliant was fully deserved. Player will feel embarrassed when off the pitch the recording is played back to them and within a month or two it will become the norm.
I know rugby refs are mic'd up but I don't watch rugby so do you hear everything including the players in the vicinity or just the ref asking whoever for help on a decision (is that a thing in rugby)? I would have thought that should football refs be mic'd that there would be a control option for making audible only what he is saying and not have it outputting the entire game.
you can. they are very polite and the captain is the only one talked to unless ref is pitting one off. Rugby refs are audible at all times as they are always shouting instructions at players. tackle, ruck, maul, roll away, blah blah
Football is already delayed by about ten seconds, plenty of time to add some beeps. However, it should also serve as a way of making players (and managers etc) respect the referee too
Oh you Btard You know exactly what you did Just finished a two hour drive after gig in Barrow and I read this
