Aaron Ramsey

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ToledoTrumpton said:
I think Ramsey does most things well.

I don't think I can really grasp what your point is, because I have seen games where Cazorla has given the ball away more than Ramsey has, yet I'm sure you wouldn't consider Cazorla a bad passer. I have seen Arteta beaten for pace defensively and be out of posiution in games more than Ramsey, but I am sure you would be outraged if I said Ramsey is better than Arteta.

I realize that you have it in for the lad, but I'm not seeing this dreadful lack of Ability that you do. Do you know the story of the town with two barbers, and the guy who goes to the one with the hair that is the mess? Ramsey seeems to get some great passes, because he is the one working to get open. Maybe he doesn't pass well, because no one seems able to get into space for him.

I think you are trying to isolate Ramsey's performance from the rest of the team, and I think that is not an easy thing to do.
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Cazorla and Arteta haven't been in the greatest form but it's pretty clear that their footballing intelligence and spatial awareness is better. Their ability to pick a pass and when to hold up play, when to speed up play etc. Some of this is down to experience, whereas a lot of it is just natural ability. I don't think Ramsey has that natural ability.

I'm commenting in this thread because it's specifically about Aaron Ramsey but if you check my post history in match threads, I never single Aaron out for abuse. When he gets brought on as a sub and people say 'oh great, Ramsey's on, we've lost', that is unfair and counter-productive.

Ramsey needs an extended period out on loan to find himself as a footballer. I don't see what he brings to the team. Is he a creative mid? A defensive one? Box-to-box? An advanced playmaker? What is he?
 
Bobby Pires said:
Cazorla and Arteta haven't been in the greatest form but it's pretty clear that their footballing intelligence and spatial awareness is better. Their ability to pick a pass and when to hold up play, when to speed up play etc. Some of this is down to experience, whereas a lot of it is just natural ability. I don't think Ramsey has that natural ability.

I'm commenting in this thread because it's specifically about Aaron Ramsey but if you check my post history in match threads, I never single Aaron out for abuse. When he gets brought on as a sub and people say 'oh great, Ramsey's on, we've lost', that is unfair and counter-productive.

Ramsey needs an extended period out on loan to find himself as a footballer. I don't see what he brings to the team. Is he a creative mid? A defensive one? Box-to-box? An advanced playmaker? What is he?
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In order for us to play a two-bank defense, at least one of the front 3 has to play in the "first bank", Walcott, Podolski, Gervinho, Arshavin, Ox and even Cazorla are not strong there, Ramsey is. Even Arteta isn't the strongest at it.
 
The stick Ramsey got was fully justified, he was playing terrible for a long period of time, at the end of the day, if you can praise a player for putting a good shift in and playing on good form, then don't see what's wrong to also give them flack when they're playing really **** for a long time.

The thing with Ramsey is that he had a very long bad spell, he was poor in the 2012 season, and then poor for the first part of the 2013 season until he started finding form again in the second half, so the stick he got was fully justified, it may have also been what lit a spark under his ass to make him start performing again.
 
Arsenal87 said:
The stick Ramsey got was fully justified, he was playing terrible for a long period of time, at the end of the day, if you can praise a player for putting a good **** in and playing on good form, then don't see what's wrong to also give them flack when they're playing really **** for a long time.

The thing with Ramsey is that he had a very long bad spell, he was poor in the 2012 season, and then poor for the first part of the 2013 season until he started finding form again in the second half, so the stick he got was fully justified, it may have also been what lit a spark under his ass to make him start performing again.
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Eh? <laugh>
 
Arsenal87 said:
The stick Ramsey got was fully justified, he was playing terrible for a long period of time, at the end of the day, if you can praise a player for putting a good shift in and playing on good form, then don't see what's wrong to also give them flack when they're playing really **** for a long time.

The thing with Ramsey is that he had a very long bad spell, he was poor in the 2012 season, and then poor for the first part of the 2013 season until he started finding form again in the second half, so the stick he got was fully justified, it may have also been what lit a spark under his ass to make him start performing again.
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Cobblers.

You're saying that to try and justify the 'pub player' tag you and others gave him. Ramsey might have been hit and miss when he came back from his injury, but you have to remember also that he was carrying that midfield after we lost cesc and nasri. He was also asked to play out of position and always got on with the job. Slowly but surely he got better and better to the point where he cemented his place in our MF, to today where he is now showing that he's one of the best talents in the PL. It wasn't some whinging oik that 'lit a fire under his ass', his was his hard work, commitment and flying in the face of the criticism that got him to where he is today.
 
PISKIE said:
Cobblers.

You're saying that to try and justify the 'pub player' tag you and others gave him. Ramsey might have been hit and miss when he came back from his injury, but you have to remember also that he was carrying that midfield after we lost cesc and nasri. He was also asked to play out of position and always got on with the job. Slowly but surely he got better and better to the point where he cemented his place in our MF, to today where he is now showing that he's one of the best talents in the PL. It wasn't some whinging oik that 'lit a fire under his ass', his was his hard work, commitment and flying in the face of the criticism that got him to where he is today.
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Cobblers?

He was ****, and was playing like a pub player, don't take back any of what I said at the time, at the time he was indeed, not good enough. We lit the fire under his ass.
 
Arsenal87 said:
Cobblers?

He was ****, and was playing like a pub player, don't take back any of what I said at the time, at the time he was indeed, not good enough. We lit the fire under his ass.
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You were 100% wrong, and there is nothing you can get out of it except a lesson in humility. Seems you are not even bright enough to get that even.

You lit nothing. Trying to claim you were still right to write what you did just shows you have no redeeming virtues whatsoever. You are worse than Piers Morgan.
 
Does criticising a player for playing badly become wrong when the player subsequently improves and gets better? Of course it doesn't. Yet, we have people like TT holding this up like some kind of trophy for their ridiculous view that any criticism, at any time, is wrong. These people are morons. I don't take back any of the criticism I gave to Ramsey. It was entirely justified at the time, and I'm ecstatic that he's improved since then.
 
PISKIE said:
Cobblers.

You're saying that to try and justify the 'pub player' tag you and others gave him. Ramsey might have been hit and miss when he came back from his injury, but you have to remember also that he was carrying that midfield after we lost cesc and nasri. He was also asked to play out of position and always got on with the job. Slowly but surely he got better and better to the point where he cemented his place in our MF, to today where he is now showing that he's one of the best talents in the PL. It wasn't some whinging oik that 'lit a fire under his ass', his was his hard work, commitment and flying in the face of the criticism that got him to where he is today.
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He was playing like a pub player! <laugh>
 
Wenger's Optician said:
Some real gems in this thread. Ramsey has proved a lot of people wrong.
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Anyone who said Ramsey was playing **** and didn't look like becoming a top player hasn't been proven wrong. He was playing **** and didn't look like becoming a top player.
 
I know this is off-topic, but I saw on another thread somewhere that there is some news that Poldi could be back sooner than expected. Has anyone heard more about this?
 
Arsenal87 said:
The stick Ramsey got was fully justified, he was playing terrible for a long period of time, at the end of the day, if you can praise a player for putting a good shift in and playing on good form, then don't see what's wrong to also give them flack when they're playing really **** for a long time.

The thing with Ramsey is that he had a very long bad spell, he was poor in the 2012 season, and then poor for the first part of the 2013 season until he started finding form again in the second half, so the stick he got was fully justified, it may have also been what lit a spark under his ass to make him start performing again.
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No I dont agree.

Most of the critiscm was over the TOP stating that Ramsey was in fact a 'rubbish player' or 'League 1 standard'.

Those of us with a little more faith were saying that he was just 'not playing well' and would improve.


I'm thinking Giroud may be the next player to prove himself.
 
TheBear said:
No I dont agree.

Most of the critiscm was over the TOP stating that Ramsey was in fact a 'rubbish player' or 'League 1 standard'.

Those of us with a little more faith were saying that he was just 'not playing well' and would improve.


I'm thinking Giroud may be the next player to prove himself.
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In a nutshell <ok>
 
cini65 said:
You call other people's comments cobblers then come out with these?


No, he was rubbish... consistently... for a long time


No, he was rubbish... consistently... for a long time
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Cobblers <ok>
 
People were saying the same thing about Walcott not so long ago.
 
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