Aaron Ramsey

[Arsenal87]

Well my point is that it does. It means he is most probably the best available choice.

I may be wrong, but I got the impression that the phrase, "Not good enough" refers to some arbitrary standard that a fan or fans in general have of how good an Arsenal player should be, not that there were better players on the bench that the manager could have played, but didn't.

My issue with this "Standard" is that there is no test that Arsenal could afford this imaginary team where everyone in the squad meets the mark, or that these 11 Superstars could play together, all dominating the game at once.

Well here's the standard I use for Ramsey being not good enough for Arsenal:

-He's slow in his play (That is not at all the Arsenal way)

-He's not a good passer of the ball, as in creating good chances and opportunities (once again, that's not the Arsenal way, our game relies heavily on good passing)

-His movement is poor (another important part of the Arsenal game, since a lot of our game has to do with good movement to make or allow the good plays)

In essence, Ramsey brings NOTHING to this team, at least in a positive sense, since all the weak points I mentioned, actually hurt the team, it's no surprise we look slow and clueless, lacking sharpness, when he's often in the team.

 

[cini65]

OK... Ramsey is good enough to get in our team quite frequently.

Unfortunately for us that's more an indication of the standard of our team being poor, than an indication that Ramsey is good.

He wouldn't get near a start or even many late sub appearances if he was in out 2003/04 squad.

 

[suker_suker]

So first off, I don't think Ramsey deserves any booing and I think debates on whether he is "good enough" are very stupid. He obviously is good enough, because the manager puts him in the team; end of debate.

For me, I think when he gets to 28/29 he will be as good/better as Arteta is, but that tackle hurt his shot, and stole a yard or two of pace off him, which has just robbed him of that ability to excel playing either side of the striker. I think he should be working on his defense and converting to holding midfield, looking to play the Arteta position.

What on earth are you basing that opinion on? What evidence do you have that he will be better than Arteta? Ludicrous logic in your other main point as well, so if Wenger puts a player in the team he's automatically good enough? Igor Stepanovs was Arsenal standard was he? How about Denilson?

 

[Not PC enough]

For me, I think when he gets to 28/29 he will be as good/better as Arteta is,.

oh well thats ok then .

At least by that time we wont have to worry about beating united or Chelsea .

It will be Birmingham and Barnsley .

and of course if he does turn out to be brilliant , he will be sold to United.

You are a funny individual alright.

 

[Bobby Pires]

Most players have one thing that they're really good at. Even Gervinho can be commended for his pace. Chamakh for his creative use of hair gel. Can anyone name something that Ramsey does well? He's average or below average across the board.

 

[Arsenal87]

Most players have one thing that they're really good at. Even Gervinho can be commended for his pace. Chamakh for his creative use of hair gel. Can anyone name something that Ramsey does well? He's average or below average across the board.

Losing the ball?

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

Well here's the standard I use for Ramsey being not good enough for Arsenal:

-He's slow in his play (That is not at all the Arsenal way)

-He's not a good passer of the ball, as in creating good chances and opportunities (once again, that's not the Arsenal way, our game relies heavily on good passing)

-His movement is poor (another important part of the Arsenal game, since a lot of our game has to do with good movement to make or allow the good plays)

In essence, Ramsey brings NOTHING to this team, at least in a positive sense, since all the weak points I mentioned, actually hurt the team, it's no surprise we look slow and clueless, lacking sharpness, when he's often in the team.

Obviously I'm not explaining myself well. I get it that you think Ramsey is too slow in his passing, but how fast is the standard? How much do Arsenal have to pay a player that meets your standard? Is such a player available and willing to play as a replacement, or would he demand we drop Cazorla so he can play every week?

On a superficial level, we can all agree that we want the best players playing at Arsenal, but it isn't practical to have 6 world-class midfielders, who ARE good enough, playing at our club, with 3 of them happy to sit on the bench for any one game earning 50K/week.

 

[Arsegun]

Obviously I'm not explaining myself well. I get it that you think Ramsey is too slow in his passing, but how fast is the standard? How much do Arsenal have to pay a player that meets your standard? Is such a player available and willing to play as a replacement, or would he demand we drop Cazorla so he can play every week?

On a superficial level, we can all agree that we want the best players playing at Arsenal, but it isn't practical to have 6 world-class midfielders, who ARE good enough, playing at our club, with 3 of them happy to sit on the bench for any one game earning 50K/week.

but Ramsey plays plenty whilst being nowhere near world class..

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

Most players have one thing that they're really good at. Even Gervinho can be commended for his pace. Chamakh for his creative use of hair gel. Can anyone name something that Ramsey does well? He's average or below average across the board.

I think Ramsey does most things well.

I don't think I can really grasp what your point is, because I have seen games where Cazorla has given the ball away more than Ramsey has, yet I'm sure you wouldn't consider Cazorla a bad passer. I have seen Arteta beaten for pace defensively and be out of posiution in games more than Ramsey, but I am sure you would be outraged if I said Ramsey is better than Arteta.

I realize that you have it in for the lad, but I'm not seeing this dreadful lack of Ability that you do. Do you know the story of the town with two barbers, and the guy who goes to the one with the hair that is the mess? Ramsey seeems to get some great passes, because he is the one working to get open. Maybe he doesn't pass well, because no one seems able to get into space for him.

I think you are trying to isolate Ramsey's performance from the rest of the team, and I think that is not an easy thing to do.

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

but Ramsey plays plenty whilst being nowhere near world class..

...But he is not a starter. Who would you have in the team that is better than he is and doesnt play in the starting XI of a top club?

 

[TheOXOCube:5pur2]

Personally, I think Ramsey gets slated for very little thing whilenother players do not because he's a common scapegoat. That being said I still think he'll come good, but he needs a loan spell to a team where the pressure is not so much and the fans actually support him.

 

[Kyle?]

Most players have one thing that they're really good at. Even Gervinho can be commended for his pace. Chamakh for his creative use of hair gel. Can anyone name something that Ramsey does well? He's average or below average across the board.

Looking dodgy in golfing clothes?

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

Looking dodgy in golfing clothes?

So the question I have is, "Why are Arsenal the only club where the supporters make fun of their own players?"

I have NEVER seen a fan of another club try to ridicule their own players. What is it about our fans?

 

[TheOXOCube:5pur2]

So the question I have is, "Why are Arsenal the only club where the supporters make fun of their own players?"

I have NEVER seen a fan of another club try to ridicule their own players. What is it about our fans?

Other fans do it too but Arsenal fans are probably the most notorious.

 

[suker_suker]

but Ramsey plays plenty whilst being nowhere near world class..

This. He's not the peripheral squad player that Toledo is making him out to be. Wenger plays him disproportionately frequently. Even if we are fully stocked in midfield, Wenger plays him as a wing forward. If we had a top player in his place and rotated, our results and performances would improve.

 

[TheOXOCube:5pur2]

This. He's not the peripheral squad player that Toledo is making him out to be. Wenger plays him disproportionately frequently. Even if we are fully stocked in midfield, Wenger plays him as a wing forward. If we had a top player in his place and rotated, our results and performances would improve.

If he was also played in his favored CAM his performances would improve. Ramsey's good performances have come not as a CM, not as a Winger, but as a CAM.
He got praise in the Olympics playing as a CAM. He needs to be played in his natural position.

 

[Kyle?]

If he was also played in his favored CAM his performances would improve. Ramsey's good performances have come not as a CM, not as a Winger, but as a CAM.
He got praise in the Olympics playing as a CAM. He needs to be played in his natural position.

That means dropping Cazorla/Rosicky, both are better as a CAM than Ramsey is.

 

[TheOXOCube:5pur2]

That means dropping Cazorla/Rosicky, both are better as a CAM than Ramsey is.

No. I mean when he plays the odd Cup game where we rest the starters he should play there. And when he comes on as a sub.
This is why he should go on loan, so he can consistently play and improve in his best position.

 

[Sanj]

Ramsey debates.

 

[Arsegun]

...But he is not a starter. Who would you have in the team that is better than he is and doesnt play in the starting XI of a top club?

Ramsey plays as much as anyone in our team. You can blame injuries for that, but he's made 5 appearances in Europe and 14 in the league this season. Last season he played in 44 games. Plenty of players like Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Strootman, M'Vila, Zaha (etc) would be more than happy to play that often for Arsenal. Most of them are far better than Ramsey.