Suarez News (#ONTOPIC)

[Super G Ted'inho]

One can simply not expect Gerrez to go out of his way to search for something, he's too lazy.

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[Enricky.]

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That doesn't mean to say you went out of your way to do it, you could have just taken the video off the link I posted.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

That doesn't mean to say you went out of your way to do it, you could have just taken the video off the link I posted.

It links to YouTube

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

all true.... we broke faster without him... his lay offs at times when we try to play through him are dire and i thought sturridge ran channels and suited countinho and gerrard perfectly.

i think suarez misses more cos he religiously shoots early. i think he was trained early to get defenses and keepers off thier game by not letting them get set. he misses but then instinctive goals come and he looks great.

Rush used to do that. But he seldom missed the target.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Rush used to do that. But he seldom missed the target.

And that is the difference between a natural goalscorer and goalscorer! I wouldn't complain if he hit the target but the keeper saved them but Luis misses the target, that is criminal for a so-called world class player!

Of course, you could go the other way and say someone like Heskey or Cisse always hit the target but never scored too

 

[saintanton]

And that is the difference between a natural goalscorer and goalscorer! I wouldn't complain if he hit the target but the keeper saved them but Luis misses the target, that is criminal for a so-called world class player!

Of course, you could go the other way and say someone like Heskey or Cisse always hit the target but never scored too

No offence, but not a great comparison imo. Most of Rushie's goals were scored within a few yards of the goal. He was fantastic at just getting in the box and getting on the end of anything that went in there. Suarez is an entirely different type of player, he creates more, he's involved in approach play far more than Rushie was. He shows flashes of brilliance in front of goal, but his attempts to get his shot off before anyone is ready for it means he's very hit and miss.
Rush seldom missed the target because it's 24 feet wide and he hardly ever encountered the ball more than 8 feet from it.

Suarez's goal against Newcastle was one of the best taken goals I've seen in 50 years of watching footie,btw.

 

[timmy5x]

No offence, but not a great comparison imo. Most of Rushie's goals were scored within a few yards of the goal. He was fantastic at just getting in the box and getting on the end of anything that went in there. Suarez is an entirely different type of player, he creates more, he's involved in approach play far more than Rushie was. He shows flashes of brilliance in front of goal, but his attempts to get his shot off before anyone is ready for it means he's very hit and miss.
Rush seldom missed the target because it's 24 feet wide and he hardly ever encountered the ball more than 8 feet from it.

Suarez's goal against Newcastle was one of the best taken goals I've seen in 50 years of watching footie,btw.

It was a great goal, but cant help but think that he's trying to emulate messi most of the time but he doesn't have the same finishing ability!
He seems to have to make a point of humiliating the opposition before scoring instead of just putting it in the net. With Coutinho in the squad we don't really need Suarez's trickery and would probably better of playing a more conventional striker with good positional sense.

 

[saintanton]

It was a great goal, but cant help but think that he's trying to emulate messi most of the time but he doesn't have the same finishing ability!
He seems to have to make a point of humiliating the opposition before scoring instead of just putting it in the net. With Coutinho in the squad we don't really need Suarez's trickery and would probably better of playing a more conventional striker with good positional sense.

Do you really think he's thinking that much? I don't believe thinking is Suarez's strong suit at the best of times. It's all instinct with him imo. His competitiveness, and his desire to make others look foolish seems to me to be a natural product of his upbringing coupled with the skill to actually pull it off.
Those who wish he was more of a team player are wasting their time imo. He's been brought up to look after himself, and this is displayed in his behaviour both on and off the field. He's a raw talent- great at times, frustrating at others. Whether he stays with us or moves on, I don't think anyone will change him.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

After watching that advert, I now take back every bad thing I said about him - I love him again

In all seriousness - for every chance he wastes, he will create something out of nothing. Top class players will always make mistakes but they will produce moments of magic as well.

IMO, pretty much every world class player plays on the edge. Zidane had a nasty streak to him, Ronaldo is petulant, and even Messi has a dark side. You don't see Messi's dark side as much because he plays in a side that wins 90% of their matches - but watch him in the El Classico's when things don't go his way and you will see it.

Suarez is all about substance over style - this is evident when he dribbles past players by getting lucky nicks of shins etc. In addition, I feel his 'selfishness' is somewhat attributed to the ****e players he had to play with. You can see him linking up a lot better with Sturridge, Coutinho and even Enrique (when he shifted to LW).

 

[mighty_stevie_g]

After watching that advert, I now take back every bad thing I said about him - I love him again

In all seriousness - for every chance he wastes, he will create something out of nothing. Top class players will always make mistakes but they will produce moments of magic as well.

IMO, pretty much every world class player plays on the edge. Zidane had a nasty streak to him, Ronaldo is petulant, and even Messi has a dark side. You don't see Messi's dark side as much because he plays in a side that wins 90% of their matches - but watch him in the El Classico's when things don't go his way and you will see it.

Suarez is all about substance over style - this is evident when he dribbles past players by getting lucky nicks of shins etc. In addition, I feel his 'selfishness' is somewhat attributed to the ****e players he had to play with. You can see him linking up a lot better with Sturridge, Coutinho and even Enrique (when he shifted to LW).

I've seen on at least 3 occasions where Messi should have been shown a second yellow and referees have let it go because he is 'innocent' little Messi.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

No offence, but not a great comparison imo. Most of Rushie's goals were scored within a few yards of the goal. He was fantastic at just getting in the box and getting on the end of anything that went in there. Suarez is an entirely different type of player, he creates more, he's involved in approach play far more than Rushie was. He shows flashes of brilliance in front of goal, but his attempts to get his shot off before anyone is ready for it means he's very hit and miss.
Rush seldom missed the target because it's 24 feet wide and he hardly ever encountered the ball more than 8 feet from it.

Suarez's goal against Newcastle was one of the best taken goals I've seen in 50 years of watching footie,btw.

Really? Not my memory. Rushie had a knack of shooting early and low from the edge of the box once he'd - easily - gained a yard on his defender, with unerring accuracy in the corner. that's not just me saying that, I've seen Southall and Woods claim that too. But he was diverse - he'd get in the six-yard box to poke them in, towering headers from the penalty spot, whatever it took.

 

[saintanton]

Really? Not my memory. Rushie had a knack of shooting early and low from the edge of the box once he'd - easily - gained a yard on his defender, with unerring accuracy in the corner. that's not just me saying that, I've seen Southall and Woods claim that too. But he was diverse - he'd get in the six-yard box to poke them in, towering headers from the penalty spot, whatever it took.

I was a bit pissed when I wrote that so there may be a bit of exaggeration there.
Still, my abiding memories of Rush were that he got in there where nobody else did and got something- anything- on the ball. Of course there was more to his game than that, but for me he stood out in that area. So many strikers are average because they don't get in quickly where it hurts like he did. Kuyt did it at times for us as well, but obviously not as consistently.

 

[Red_Pheonix]

I was a bit pissed when I wrote that so there may be a bit of exaggeration there.
Still, my abiding memories of Rush were that he got in there where nobody else did and got something- anything- on the ball. Of course there was more to his game than that, but for me he stood out in that area. So many strikers are average because they don't get in quickly where it hurts like he did. Kuyt did it at times for us as well, but obviously not as consistently.

Surely it depends upon which part of Rush's career you are considering. In the later part he was more likely to pull out wide to the edge of the box rather than go in where "the boots are flying" - though who could blame him!

 

[saintanton]

Surely it depends upon which part of Rush's career you are considering. In the later part he was more likely to pull out wide to the edge of the box rather than go in where "the boots are flying" - though who could blame him!

I'm probably being a bit selective in my memories.

 

[Tobes]

Really? Not my memory. Rushie had a knack of shooting early and low from the edge of the box once he'd - easily - gained a yard on his defender, with unerring accuracy in the corner. that's not just me saying that, I've seen Southall and Woods claim that too. But he was diverse - he'd get in the six-yard box to poke them in, towering headers from the penalty spot, whatever it took.

You're right here mate. Rush was a great goal scorer & his goals were diverse, not just 'tap ins' a la John 'sound as a pound' Aldridge. He had the strikers of knack of dropping off & finding himself half a yard & his finishing was as good as anyone of that era.

Suarez is a more talented footballer & he's capable of moments of brilliance, however his shooting accuracy is nowhere near that of Rush imo.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

rush also had dalglish passing to him in his pomp, just like torres had gerrard, alebit shorter time and a bit different passing style.

rush scored all sorts of goals from through balls to corsses to tap ins and so forth. He scored a shed load... suarez is a different type of player... his penchant for the nutmeg for example. I think rush was faster frankly. suarez just fires off the shot as fast as he can to catch guys unawares. i don't think he aims much... rush passed the ball home. one guy rushes to the finish the other cool and collected.

 

[BCR]

Liverpool and Luis Suarez's agent are in disagreement over a reported £40 million clause in the striker's contract, according to the Times.


Suarez signed a new long-term contract with Liverpool last summer, and the Times reports that there is confusion regarding a clause inserted in that deal.


The newspaper claims Liverpool interpret the stipulation as that they "must consider" offers of £40 million or more, whereas Suarez's agent, Pere Guardiola, believes such an offer "would effectively trigger his release".


Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre recently confirmed to Bloomberg that Arsenal have made an offer for the Uruguay international, with a second bid from the Gunners said to be in the region of £35 million.


Real Madrid have also been strongly linked with an interest in the forward, although it is claimed the Liga club have yet to table a bid.

So they have a disagreement but Arsenal still has yet to bid 40 so until they do so, the agent is still being a twat.

 

[saintanton]

So they have a disagreement but Arsenal still has yet to bid 40 so until they do so, the agent is still being a twat.

Surely a matter like that could be sorted out in 5 minutes by a solicitor? I can't believe they would draw up a contract with such blatant ambiguity. I agree, it seems like Guardiola's just being an arse trying to force a move.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Surely a matter like that could be sorted out in 5 minutes by a solicitor? I can't believe they would draw up a contract with such blatant ambiguity.

I agree. Either way £35m isn't £40m!

With regard to Rushie arguably the best natural finisher the game's ever seen.

 

[RogerisontheHunt]

Surely a matter like that could be sorted out in 5 minutes by a solicitor? I can't believe they would draw up a contract with such blatant ambiguity. I agree,it seems like Guardiola's just being an arse trying to force a move.

Well he is an agent, its well known they're all twats